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Re: Argentina - they didn't learn last time

Postby john » Wed Feb 24, 2010 1:38 am

Another outcome of the regional summit in Cancun is the formation of a rival organization (to the OAS) that does not have the U.S. or Canada as members. Whatever became of the Monroe Doctrine? :wink:
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Re: Argentina - they didn't learn last time

Postby greg~judy » Wed Feb 24, 2010 8:35 am

Excellent article focusing on potential reserves, locations, drilling, players, costs...
Plus this neat tidbit...
...The south and east basins, while promising, are at greater depths and the tendered areas closest to the islands are located a little less than 150 kilometers away (as opposed to about 25 km in the case of the North Basin).
Why so far away? Is it just due to a geological issue? As confirmed to this author by the islands' director of mineral resources, Phyll Rendell, in 2004, a sort of exclusion zone has been created south of the islands, where any drilling is forbidden. The reason is simple: in that area lie British shipwrecks that are believed to contain nuclear war material.

http://mrzine.monthlyreview.org/2010/bernal230210.html
The original article "Tras un manto de sospechas y especulaciones" was published by Página/12 on 18 February 2010.
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Re: Argentina - they didn't learn last time

Postby JHyre » Wed Feb 24, 2010 9:29 am

Chavez is on Argentina's side? That seals it, UK is right and will prevail. Must be what Germany felt like when Italy entered the war on their side.

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Re: Argentina - they didn't learn last time

Postby greg~judy » Wed Feb 24, 2010 9:35 am

An even broader brush they wield???
This is just the beginning...
The Malvinas are the proverbial and literal tip of the iceberg

... a few choice excerpts...
"along with the neighboring islands controlled by the U.K., the Falklands are the de facto gateway to the Antarctic, which explains London's tenacity in maintaining sovereignty over them and the South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands, as well as territorial claims regarding the South Shetland and South Orkney Islands under the Antarctic Treaty.".......

A Chinese analysis of over two years earlier described what Britain in part went to war for in 1982 and why it may do so again: Control of broad tracts of Antarctica.......

The feature from which the preceding excerpts originated ended with a warning: “[T]he South Pole [Antarctic] Treaty points out that the South Pole can only be exploited and developed for the sake of peace; and can not be a battle ground. Otherwise, the ice-cold South Pole could prove a fiercely hot battlefield.”........

Britain submitted a claim to the United Nations Commission on the Limits of the Continental Shelf for one million square kilometers in the South Atlantic reaching into the Antarctic Ocean. .........

... the new scramble for Antarctica initiated by Britain and Australia, the second being granted 2.5 million additional square kilometers in the Antarctic Ocean in April of 2008........

... London's "eagerness to expand its Falkland Islands' continental shelf from 200 to 350 nautical miles, which would enable Britain to develop new oil fields in South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands,".......

“Not since the Golden Age of the Empire has Britain staked its claim to such a vast area of land on the world stage. And while the British Empire may be long gone, the Antarctic has emerged as the latest battleground for rival powers competing on several fronts to secure valuable oil-rich territory...


More at http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=17786
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Re: Argentina - they didn't learn last time

Postby eeuunikkeiexpat » Wed Feb 24, 2010 10:27 am

:lol: :lol:

Now my warped mind is going back to those stories of nazi bases in Antartica and possibly Patagonia and the exotic technologies that said nazis developed that the USA and UK were supposed to have cleaned up and collected in a series of military maneavers and scientific expeditions back in the late 40s and 50's.
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Re: Argentina - they didn't learn last time

Postby GJJIM » Wed Feb 24, 2010 2:03 pm

eeuunikkeiexpat wrote::lol: :lol:

Now my warped mind is going back to those stories of nazi bases in Antartica and possibly Patagonia and the exotic technologies that said nazis developed


You mean bases like this one:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7080888.stm

Most military satellites are in polar orbits that pass more or less over this base. A high-power radar with a large antenna can literally focus enough energy on these satellites to damage or destroy them. Not that the Chinese would ever do anything like that... 8)
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Re: Argentina - they didn't learn last time

Postby john » Thu Feb 25, 2010 1:32 am

Argentina has asked the United Nations Secretary General Ban Ki-moon to bring the UK into negotiations over the sovereignty of the Falkland Islands. Stay tuned for lot's of diplomatic/political maneuvering to follow. 8)
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Re: Argentina - they didn't learn last time

Postby john » Thu Feb 25, 2010 4:12 am

... into talks (not negotiations). :oops:
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Re: Argentina - they didn't learn last time

Postby j. Ro » Thu Feb 25, 2010 11:28 am

This is just going to open up a whole can of worms that no one wants to deal with.

With the continental shelf argument that the Argentineans are using Saint Pierre and Miquelon should be part of Canada and we could probably lay claim to Greenland some how.

Face it Argentina you tried to assert your claim by force and got your ass kicked. You have little to no presence on the island and the islanders don’t identify themselves as Argentinean… you can’t win.
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Re: Argentina - they didn't learn last time

Postby greg~judy » Thu Feb 25, 2010 6:35 pm

Distant colonies are a post-imperial anachronism. Britain will have to negotiate with Argentina because the world, either at the UN or at The Hague, will insist on it. The government and media can bury their heads in the sand, but that will not make the Falklands dispute go away or atone for the dead of the silliest of wars a quarter century ago.

The conclusion of an excellent article... an intelligent Pommie Perspective, courtesy of The Guardian
Well worth the read :!:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/feb/25/falklands-britains-expensive-nuisance
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Re: Argentina - they didn't learn last time

Postby GJJIM » Thu Feb 25, 2010 6:53 pm

Ah yes, the Hague, what a prestigious name. Wasn't that some soft of international court, back in the days when they had a European Union? 8)
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Re: Argentina - they didn't learn last time

Postby greg~judy » Thu Feb 25, 2010 7:19 pm

Ah yes, the Hague, what a prestigious name

Yep... back when there was a shred of power with underlying integrity... and some names/actions had more than others?
Kinda like the UN, too... who gives a PhlyingPhartInDaWind about that "prestigious" (but powerless, corrupt, integrity~less) institution these daze?
But, like the article sez.... there ain't gonna be NO war this time round.
Players are a bit smarter now!
Gonna have to be a talking solution - not if, but when?
Maybe that's progress - at least a start?
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