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Re: Argentina - they didn't learn last time

Postby pinguin » Thu Nov 11, 2010 7:42 pm

patagoniax wrote:UK GNI in PPP Dollars--------------2.225 Trillion

Brazil GNI in PPP Dollars----------1.93 Trillion

South GNI Korea in PPP Dollars-----1.35 Trillion

CL GNI in PPP Dollars ---------- 222 Billion ....Toy country.


That's only money, dear Kiwi friend. You mentioned a quality, and you are just exposing quantities. They aren't the same, you know.
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Re: Argentina - they didn't learn last time

Postby patagoniax » Thu Nov 11, 2010 7:54 pm

not needed
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Re: Argentina - they didn't learn last time

Postby greg~judy » Thu Nov 11, 2010 8:04 pm

nor this... :|
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Re: Argentina - they didn't learn last time

Postby pinguin » Thu Nov 11, 2010 10:12 pm

patagoniax wrote:
pinguin wrote:
patagoniax wrote:...Part of Antarctica is a Chilean colony. Easter Island is a Chilean colony. Magallanes is a Chilean colony. Robinson Crusoe Island is a Chilean colony. It is time that Chile gave up those colonies and let the inhabitants have self-determination. But Chile won't even allow a vote in those places to determine the wishes of the people. Shame on Imperial Chile. Shame !


Perhaps it is time Chile investigate who is instigating revolt in our provinces...

...


I see. I warn you that the last foreigner that wanted to make Patagonia independent was captured by the Chilean army and send to the house of fools. His name was Orélie-Antoine de Tounens, but he wanted to be called Orélie-Antoine I, King of Araucania and Patagonia :mrgreen:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Araucania_and_Patagonia
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Re: Argentina - they didn't learn last time

Postby greg~judy » Fri Dec 17, 2010 3:47 pm

Why not give this topic a bump~shake once in a while :?:
It's been quite a few weeks now... so here ya go!
Argies getting some good support from their Mercosur amigos...
Not that it's ever gonna change anything, of course.

Mercosur condemns UK on Malvinas; promises to monitor shipping in support of oil activities

The Mercosur summit approved Thursday a declaration protesting “formally and energetically” UK’s decision to hold military exercises in the Malvinas islands and reiterated support for Argentina’s sovereignty claim over the South Atlantic Islands.

Several companies are currently involved in an exploratory drilling round in Falklands’ waters Several companies are currently involved in an exploratory drilling round in Falklands’ waters

Member and associate Mercosur countries meeting at the fortieth summit of the group in the Brazilian location of Foz de Iguazú underlined the need for the dispute over the Islands and the adjoining maritime spaces “to reach as soon as possible a solution in conformity with United Nations, Organization of American States, Mercosur and Unasur resolutions”.

Mercosur countries also reiterate their commitment to inform the Argentine government on all vessels sailing to the Malvinas, Georgias and Sandwich del Sur Islands with cargo in support of ‘illegal hydrocarbons or mineral activities on the Argentine continental shelf’.

The document ratifies the declarations from Mercosur, Unasur and the Rio Group by which governments expressed their formal and energetic protest following the decision from the UK government to hold military exercises, including missile firing in the Malvinas Islands and surrounding waters.

British military exercises violate international agreements and are “incompatible with the policy to search for a peaceful solution to the controversy”. Finally the Mercosur members and associate reiterate “the legitimate rights of Argentina over the South Atlantic Islands”.

Argentina has made it official policy to lodge complaints, before all international fora on what it considers the illegal exploitation of hydrocarbons on the Malvinas continental shelf by companies that have been unilaterally authorized by London.
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Re: Argentina - they didn't learn last time

Postby patagoniax » Fri Dec 17, 2010 4:52 pm

The recently disclosed wikileaks cables have had some content on this as well. The lack of oil could make the Argie sabre-rattling a waste of diplomatic space:


WikiLeaks: Falklands oil insufficient for Exxon news
06 December 2010

According documents leaked by WikiLeaks, oil resources in the Falklands Islands, a British territory claimed by Argentina were not sufficient to be profitable an ExxonMobil Corp executive had commented.

The cable that originated from the US Embassy in London was dated February 2010 and referred to a new oil drilling effort then initiated in the Falklands that led to tension between Britain and Argentina.

"ExxonMobil International Chairman Brad Corson told us he does not believe there is enough oil on the Falkland Islands Continental Shelf to be profitable, citing Shell's earlier oil exploration attempts which they abandoned," the cable read.
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Re: The squidionaires of Baa-rain...

Postby greg~judy » Sun Jul 10, 2011 2:56 am

ok, it's been a while since we re-visited this thread
the question remains - is oil well that ends well?
but then again, oil seems to be on a back burner these daze...
:?:
now, all the rage is squid...!!!
try this (below) for a great story line?
... and some quite interesting reading
:idea:

“The squidionaires of Baa-rain…
or how seafood, oil, tourism (and penguins) made the Falklands rich”


http://en.mercopress.com/2011/07/05/how-seafood-oil-and-tourism-made-squidionaires-and-the-falklands-rich

this article is quite well done and well worth the read...
a most interesting and honest appraisal of recent falklands life.
and fyi - there actually IS a chile connection...
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‘The economic situation is so good here that we have negative unemployment;
we are bringing in people, mostly Chileans and Peruvians.
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Re: Argentina - they didn't learn last time

Postby patagoniax » Mon Sep 19, 2011 2:11 pm

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New Falklands flap, between Chile and Argentina.

It seems as though the alcalde of the Cabo de Hornos comuna recently spoke publicly of his plans to visit the Falklands, and referred to the islands as, well, the Falklands.

Naturally, the Argies had a fit.

The new intendente for the region, Arturo Storaker Molina, was quick to profusely apologise to the Argies and everyone within earshot. He speculated that the alcalde himself would also recant and apologise. Though we have seen none of that so far.

Apparently the OAS has determined for themselves and member states that "Malvinas" should be the official and exclusive term for the islands, though using that expression there, in the Falklands, will get you a swift kick in the arse.

Punta Arenas does a bit of trade with the Falklands, whose residents come to Chile for shopping, despite the efforts of the Argies to isolate the islands.

The main newspaper in the region, La Prensa Austral, gave its own implicit perspective on the preferred/traditional ( vs politically correct and "official") naming convention in today's article, entitled "Magallánicos celebran el “18” en las Falklands (Malvinas)."
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Re: Argentina - they didn't learn last time

Postby john » Mon Mar 19, 2012 11:49 pm

This article was in today's Guardian.

Falklands still home to optimists as invasion anniversary nears

...The culmination was a 1980 Whitehall proposal that sovereignty should be handed to Argentina and the islands then "leased back" to Britain for a limited period, as had been agreed with the Chinese over Hong Kong. That November, Margaret Thatcher sent a Foreign Office minister, Nicholas Ridley, to the Falklands to sell the deal...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/mar/1 ... nniversary
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Re: Argentina - they didn't learn last time

Postby bazzasoft » Tue Mar 20, 2012 8:48 pm

Walls have ears!
by Jason Moore of The Majorca Daily Bulletin
I sincerely doubt that the Argentines would ever invade the Falkland Islands once again but if they did they now know that Britain could never retake them! For the last six months former military commanders have been busy telling everyone that would listen that Britain doesn´t have the military capability for another Falklands task force. Whatever happened to keeping military secrets? On Sunday the former Task Force Commander, Admiral Sandy Woodward, was the last military commander to sound the alarm bells. Ofcourse, they are right and the fact that Britain no longer has an aircraft carrier means that a new Task Force couldn´t be sent to the South Atlantic. But what they don´t tell you is that the Falklands are far better defended now than they were 30 years ago. The Royal Air Force has four of its very capable Typhoon fighters based on the islands, along with 1'000 troops, two warships and state of the art early warning radars. In 1982 the islands were defended by 60 Royal Marines. The Royal Navy may be smaller than it was 30 years ago but its ships are much better armed. The majority of the ships in the Task Force in 1982 had outdated weapons systems and in most cases the frigates and destroyers could not defend themselves against Exocet-type air to surface missile systems. So my advice to these armchair generals and admirals is to keep quiet and enjoy their retirement. Walls have ears and all that and they are not helping matters!
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Re: Argentina - they didn't learn last time

Postby Dosedmonkey » Tue Mar 20, 2012 11:08 pm

Its not military secrets, its the military trying to get more funds and bitch about the rediculious cuts they are enduring. Saying how the finacial cuts on them is destroying one of the most experienced and professional armys in the world. They do fairly well with what funds they get given, but the royal navy could create more efficient naval craft, and deploy the craft more wisely. For example you do not need destroyers to combat piracy in the indian ocean, when much smaller craft with 30 crew instead of over 300, could do the same job. And well for the same money you could get at least four or five craft, and as such cover four or five times the area, preventing that many attacks on merchant navy shipping. The Piracy problem is so serious it has forced the first ever deployment of the current modern Chinese forces outside of their country.

As for Falklands being captured by an Argentian invasion, currently that is near impossible, the amount of power deployed in the Falklands since 1982 has been significant, and the stance has not changed, and now due to American investments in the area, and the UKs military investments in Iraq and Afgahnistan there is a 50-50 chance, depending which US soap was aired the night before the white house needs make the desicion.

However in the future, god knows, Brazil and Argentinia want to make nuclear submarines, which should worry the whole world, as south america is about as stable as an alcoholic. The massive increase of drug cartels in Peru of late worries me, another mexico in the future?
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