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by **ingrambr** » Wed Feb 17, 2010 11:51 pm

Margaret Thatcher deserves more respect than she gets, she entered a war without knowing that there was oil there up for grabs. (or perhaps she secretly knew there was oil there.)

Chuck J 3.0 wrote:I think the Argie's have a lot better chance now. The political climate has changed quite a bit in England, I don't think the UK Govt. can count on patriotic chest-thumping crowds to support them in taking back the Falklands this time, if Argentina invades.

I think Joe (British) Public would feel an element of humiliation if we were to give ground to the Argentines. I think the British public would support defending their sovereign territory even though being at war is a touchy topic in recent years.

by **greg~judy** » Thu Feb 18, 2010 12:22 am

I think the British public would support defending their sovereign territory

Say WHAT...????
WTF is "Sovereign territory"?
Are the Malvinas part of the British Isles?
Try imperialistic/hegemonic occupation and conquest :!:

by **ingrambr** » Thu Feb 18, 2010 1:22 am

http://www.falklands.gov.fk/a13871.html

greg~judy wrote:Say WHAT...????
WTF is "Sovereign territory"?
Are the Malvinas part of the British Isles?

The Falklands, Malvinas or whatever you wish to call them are not part of the British Isles, wrong hemisphere. The official status is "British Overseas Territory" ( http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2002/uk ... 20008_en_1 ) The Queen is still legal head of state symbolically as in Canada, Australia, Jamaica...

greg~judy wrote:Try imperialistic/hegemonic occupation and conquest

While I would admit that the Empire has been shamefully responsible for a large amount of problems in the world, in the case of the Falklands, I don't see it quite like other situations. The people of the Falklands have been there well over 100 years and they want to be British. Argentina takes umbrage with this some 150 years later and occupies and conquerors this indefensible Island. "It is they [Argentina], not Britain, who wish to colonise the Falkland Islands." according to the local government of the Falklands website ( http://www.falklands.gov.fk/a13871.html )

Britain are in the process of devolving powers to the Falkland Islands so that they can achieve self rule.

by **GJJIM** » Thu Feb 18, 2010 1:31 am

greg~judy wrote:Say WHAT...????
WTF is "Sovereign territory"?
Are the Malvinas part of the British Isles?
Try imperialistic/hegemonic occupation and conquest

Couldn't the same be said of Chile and Easter Island? Ecuador and the Galapagos? The USA and Hawaii? Last I read, the residents of the Falklands are not interested in rule by Argentina.

by **Skraeling** » Thu Feb 18, 2010 2:52 am

Britain are in the process of devolving powers to the Falkland Islands so that they can achieve self rule.

Does that include self-defense? :roll:

by **murf** » Thu Feb 18, 2010 3:29 am

ingrambr wrote:Margaret Thatcher deserves more respect than she gets, she entered a war without knowing that there was oil there up for grabs. (or perhaps she secretly knew there was oil there.)

I stand to be corrected but was it not the bold Maggie that cosyied up to Pinochet, the same dude that was later endicted by another English government.
A very respectable lady indeed.

Birds of a feather and all that I guess......

by **murf** » Thu Feb 18, 2010 3:38 am

Chuck J 3.0 wrote:I think the Argie's have a lot better chance now. The political climate has changed quite a bit in England, I don't think the UK Govt. can count on patriotic chest-thumping crowds to support them in taking back the Falklands this time, if Argentina invades.

"I think it is like two bald men fighting over a comb". :mrgreen:

by **greg~judy** » Thu Feb 18, 2010 10:27 am

I have appreciated the chance to look deeper into the muddled and diverse history of this issue...
Thanks to other posters for encouraging this

Interesting stuff!

The first settlement on the Falkland Islands was in 1764... founded by the French. A British settlement was built... in 1766. Also in 1766, Spain acquired the French colony, and after assuming effective control in 1767, placed the islands under a governor subordinate to the Buenos Aires colonial administration. Spain attacked... ending the British presence there in 1770.... a peace treaty allowed the British to return in 1771 with neither side relinquishing sovereignty. Upon her withdrawal in 1776 the UK left behind a plaque asserting her claims. From 1776 until 1811 Spain maintained a settlement administered from Buenos Aires... On leaving in 1811, Spain also left behind a plaque asserting her claims. In 1828 the Argentines founded a settlement... United States warships destroyed this settlement in 1831... In November 1832, Argentina sent another governor. In January 1833, British forces returned and informed the Argentine commander that they intended to reassert British sovereignty

So... Might makes Right... the story of the ages.
Its called Gunboat Diplomacy...
If that doesn't define imperialism and hegemony, than what does?

The people of the Falklands have been there well over 100 years and they want to be British

The global naval power and domination by the Brits pre-WWI set the stage for large scale colonization, hence, the existing population today = 61.3% Falkland Islander...29.0% British...2.6% Spaniard...0.6% Japanese...6.5% Chilean
If I were a current resident, that's what I'd want, too - although self-rule might be the optimal, eventual solution?

Doesn't change the history, though?

by **admin** » Thu Feb 18, 2010 10:35 am

Your kidding me.

Now I do believe the British navy is today just a shadow of what it use to be during the cold war, but Argentina's military is still an unorganized joke by comparison. What we are going to get is a bunch of British ships parked off the coast to assert their territorial integrity. We might even get an appearance by a U.S. carrier group, as the U.k. has so many of its resources committed to the middle east right now and the U.S. can not afford to let those go wondering off for political reasons. I don't think the U.S. will take kindly to distracting one of its major supporters with some petty Argentina grandstanding in the middle of a big push in Afghanistan and potentially a run up to a bigger show with Iran.

Some one just needs to surface a nuclear sub off the coast of Argentina sufficiently long to be spotted, and that should put a muzzle on the neighbors dog for a few more years.

by **admin** » Thu Feb 18, 2010 10:44 am

Argentina is set for another collapse, if has not in fact already collapsed. I think the memo just has not gotten out.

by **admin** » Thu Feb 18, 2010 11:02 am

This article expects a 4.25 peso / dollar this year.
http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-0 ... ollar.html

And this one is expecting 31% rise in consumer prices:
http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-0 ... eview.html

This is all because the government is once again raiding the central bank and exporters pockets.

by **KJS** » Thu Feb 18, 2010 11:23 am

"Some one just needs to surface a nuclear sub off the coast of Argentina sufficiently long to be spotted, and that should put a muzzle on the neighbors dog for a few more years." Hilariously worded, and true.

Subs - oh, you mean "the security escort"; you know, can't be too careful with all those pirates and terrorists in the world today.

If a Brit firm pumps the oil, then any buyer is going to have to pay market price. The Falkland islanders' allegiance (and mutual profit) from British involvement is longstanding. I wonder if Prince William will steer the ship, naaaah. Surely Chile would be able to buy directly from the UK; much better than getting wrangled up in another natural gas-type debacle.

could get interesting indeed...

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