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Re: Feb. 3rd 2010. It's Official, U.S.A. a Police State

Postby Chuck J 3.0 » Sun Dec 19, 2010 11:58 pm

Today's pig is tomorrows bacon. Cops don't seem to understand that what goes around comes around. I guess it requires the ability to understand and be human and have a certain level of humanity rather than be a robot. We all make our choices. I say, if you would be a robot and are "just following orders" well then, don't squeal when it's your turn. Because the wheel does turn and you made your choice. http://www.activistpost.com/2010/12/latest-outrage-in-tyranny-usa-man-shot.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=poXCJ_liXTQ

35 Year Old Man Playing with Garden Hose Nozzle on Friend's Back Porch
Murdered by Long Beach, California Police for 'Threatening' While Police Hid in Ambush

"He never knew there was a problem. Police snuck down the corridor and shot him. He was killed in cold blood. He was a drunk sitting on a stoop fumbling with a hose nozzle," Eden Marie Biele [sister of victim] said in an interview with The Associated Press.


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Doug Zerby and fiance

I was listening to details of this story all afternoon long on the John & Ken radio show on KFI Radio ( 640AM) on Monday, December 14. The shooting took place on Sunday, December 13, 2010, between 4:40 and 5 PM in the Belmont Shore area of Long Beach, California, a relatively upscale, crime-free community. A 35 year old man, a former competitive swimmer and professionally trained diver, Doug Zerby, was sitting on the back porch steps of his best friend's second floor apartment playing with a garden hose nozzle (not attached to a garden hose) when suddenly shotgun blasts and automatic fire opened up on him, riddling his body with bullets.

The members of the Long Beach Police Department who shot Doug Zerby were hidden from his view, having taken up "tactical positions" in the bushes below him and in adjacent apartments. They opened up on him and took his life in a hail of bullets without uttering even one word to alert him to their presence.

In what has to be one of the most profane and shameful displays of cowardice and self-serving perfidy, Long Beach Chief James McDonnell told reporters at a press conference that officers were justified in shooting Zerby because "...the subject was in a seated position, he used a two-handed pistol-grip hold on an object with his arms fully extended," Chief McDonnell said. "When Mr Zerby pointed it at one of the officers, both policemen fired their weapons, a handgun and a shotgun."

Thus ended the life of Doug Zerby, father of an eight year old boy, who thought he was playing it safe by hanging out on his friend's back porch waiting for a ride, rather than risk being caught by the police driving under the influence of alcohol. How could he possibly know the cops were setting him up for an ambush?

He had been drinking. It was a Sunday afternoon.

Doug's father called into the John & Ken show and told them that Doug had been unemployed for a while. It's hardly unusual for a man in his situation to drink alcohol on a Sunday afternoon. There's no crime in drinking alcohol or to be drunk, for that matter, assuming your standing on your friend's back porch in the middle of the afternoon. The police knew he was drunk because the paranoid neighbor who reported him to the police said he looked drunk. The same paranoid neighbor also told police that he thought Doug was holding a little antique-looking pistol. He called it a "tiny six shooter".

So now a crack team of crime fighters from the City of Long Beach, California descend on Doug Zerby's friend's apartment with the stealth of a FBI SWAT team as if they were going to take out The Zodiac Killer ~ all based on the statements supplied by an unknown neighbor who now is assigned the status of expert in firearms recognition.

Chief McDonnell told reporters that his policemen had shot two rounds from a shotgun and 6 rounds from automatic weapons. However, one article posted on the internet by a man who claimed to be a friend of Doug Zerby, said that there were 27 shots fired at Doug Zerby. It you look at the photos of the murder scene you can see bullet holes along the balustrade of the back stairs and holes in the wall. If you look at the enlarged photo of the garden hose nozzle (in the police conference video clip seen below), you can see that there is NO handgun in existence that has such a short and large diameter "barrel." It's easy to see that the tapered yellow plastic ring at the end of the nozzle resembles NOTHING seen on any handgun. It's simply ludicrous that policemen, supposedly trained in weapons and firearm use, cannot recognize that this is a spray nozzle and not a handgun. You will also notice that Chief McDonnell's face becomes increasingly red as the news conference proceeds.

The Chief said that his department was anxious to be as "transparent" and forthcoming as possible. I guess that's why they kept the family of Doug Zerby waiting SEVEN HOURS before admitting to them that they had shot and killed Doug. You can see from the video that Doug's sister only finds out that her brother was blasted with a police shotgun when the 'transparent" police chief announced it to the room full of reporters.

Most disturbing in watching the video clip of Chief McDonnell at his press conference is his attempt to maintain the pretense that Doug Zerby was doing anything that would justify shooting a man in cold blood, by police hiding in ambush mode, without giving him a word of warning before taking his life.

If we lived in a reasonable world, where just men held positions of power, Doug Zerby would not have been shot on December 13 because a reasonable police depratment would limit their police recruits to men of reason, character, and good judgment; men who possessed the intelligence and prudence to make a decision which strove to protect and preserve life, rather than treat a human life like it's a throw away tissue.

If we lived in a reasonable world, police recruits would be trained at police academies where the curriculum would emphasize the diffusing of hostile emotions and tense confrontations. The emphasis would be on defence, rather than offense and the brute application of iron fisted domination and "compliance" against people-who are in most cases-not doing anything to justify heavy handed, jackboot treatment.

Someday, we may live in that world, but 'someday' will never come as long as we have inhuman thugs masquerading as policemen.

Ken Adachi
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Re: Feb. 3rd 2010. It's Official, U.S.A. a Police State

Postby Minty » Sat Jan 01, 2011 12:34 am

Hi,

I'm a newbie, still in the police state, no argument there. Question for
the board: how much LESS of a police state is it in Chile (beyond issues
of class, race, etc): If I fly intra-Chile do I get groped? If I talk politics do I get
put on a list? What is Chile's stance WRT to TGWOT and TGWOD? Is it
just next in line or really different?

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Re: Feb. 3rd 2010. It's Official, U.S.A. a Police State

Postby admin » Sat Jan 01, 2011 9:47 am

Generally you have to be in politics (really in politics) before that sort of privacy intrusions might be be an issue. Generally Chileans really don't care what you do, as long as you are not hurting anyone else.

There is no groping at the airport. Well at least you have to find the right person, and it will cost you extra. :lol:

Most airports in Chile are fairly relaxed security. I think about half the time I get on a plane, no one really checks my id even if I have it in hand. just old fashion metal detectors, and a few questions if they spot something strange in your bag. My wife got busted with a can of pressurized hairspray in her luggage the Puerto Montt airport recently. I chewed her out more than the security guy, because she knows better.

With perhaps the exception of Santiago, I would say airport security is too lax in Chile. Most of the airports you could just walk around the building and on to the tarmac without passing any security. Some of the smaller airports you could actually get hit by a plane or walk in to a prop if you were not paying attention, and there would likely be no one there to stop you from doing it.

As for the police state, I have great faith in the complete lack of technical capabilities of the IT foke in Chile. So if they don't have the capability to watch everyone, then the police really don't. They tend to spend their resources on the guys that should be watched (e.g. drug dealers, the anarchist, other fun foke).

to get on a "list", you would really really have to work at it. If say you start organizing Mapuche radicals to over throw the government, I am sure you will end up on someone's x-mas card mailing list. Just talking politics at a bar or cafe, not likely.
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Re: Feb. 3rd 2010. It's Official, U.S.A. a Police State

Postby StevenDC » Sat Jan 01, 2011 9:59 am

I suddenly feel old, I thought when I learned TEOTWAWKI I was up to speed... TGWOT? TGWOD?
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Re: Feb. 3rd 2010. It's Official, U.S.A. a Police State

Postby Minty » Sat Jan 01, 2011 4:00 pm

"I suddenly feel old, I thought when I learned TEOTWAWKI I was up to speed... TGWOT? TGWOD?"

Heh, sorry. I mean The Global War On Terrorism and The Global War On Drugs.
Thanks very much for the response admin, it sounds like Chilean's are just to busy
having a life to worry about getting in everyone else's biz.
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Re: Feb. 3rd 2010. It's Official, U.S.A. a Police State

Postby Chuck J 3.0 » Sat Jan 01, 2011 8:40 pm

Minty, the police in Chile are a refreshing change if you are used to the cops in the USA. Some folks in Chile, (mostly youngsta's) have quite a bad attitude towards the carabieneros. But being young and never having been anywhere they have no idea how good they have it in Chile in that regard. In my limited experience with the carabieneros they have been civil, non-atitudinous, approachable and professional.

As I mentioned before on this forum a big building block in the construction of the police state in the USA was the forfeiture laws enacted in the 1990's in the so-called War on Drugs. That enabled the "law enforcement" gang to bypass civilian oversight in budgetary matters. If anyone ever proposes forfeiture laws in Chile, that person(s) need to be quietly disposed of in a swamp. It's the fast track to totalitarianism and a police state.
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Re: Feb. 3rd 2010. It's Official, U.S.A. a Police State

Postby mlightheart » Sat Jan 01, 2011 11:19 pm

Here is a good article related to the topic.

Almost Everything Is a Crime in America now: 14 of the Most Ridiculous Things That Americans Are Being Arrested For:

We are throwing anyone and everyone in prison these days. It is getting absolutely ridiculous. Today, the United States leads the world in the number of prisoners and in the percentage of the population in prison. The United States has 5% of the world's population, but approximately 25% of the world's incarcerated population.


http://www.lewrockwell.com/rep/almost-e ... crime.html
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Re: 20/jun/2011 - Official reminder - Police State

Postby greg~judy » Sun Jun 19, 2011 10:59 pm

WOW... needs a BUMP - it's been quite a while
(new year's day to be exact...)
since anyone has posted a police-state-update...

so, in this (d)evolving new year - 2011...
have all forgotten about creeping fascism?
(maybe it depends on how close it creeps?)

ok, g~j may once again remind any/all...
of how (in some places) you can slide down a slippery slope...
from bad :evil: to worse :twisted:

TSA “Security Exercise” Covers 3 States, 5000 Miles
http://www.infowars.com/tsa-security-exercise-covers-3-states-5000-miles/

If you’re still living under the delusion that the TSA is just restricted to airports then think again. A joint VIPR “security exercise” involving military personnel has Transportation Security Administration workers covering 5,000 miles and three states, illustrating once again how the TSA is turning into a literal occupying army for domestic repression in America.

The TSA, in alliance with a whole host of federal, state, local agencies as well as military personnel, is currently conducting a massive “security exercise” throughout Ohio, Kentucky and West Virginia.

“The participating teams are composed of a variety of TSA assets including federal air marshals, canine teams, inspectors and bomb appraisal officers. They will be joined by state and local law enforcement officials to supplement existing resources, provide detection and response capabilities. The exercise will utilize multiple airborne assets, including Blackhawk helicopters and fixed wing aircraft as well as waterborne and surface teams,” reports the Marietta Times.

Although the exercise is couched in serious rhetoric about preparedness, it relates to “no specific threat” and the details are nebulous to say the least and seems to revolve around little else than testing out high-tech surveillance equipment and reminding Americans who their bosses are.

“In addition to using three helicopters for aerial inspection, the exercise made use of the Ohio Highway Patrol’s camera-equipped Cessna Caravan, which is capable of transmitting close-up, detailed real-time images of objects on the ground taken from more than five miles away,” reports the Charleston Gazette.

The exercise seems to be about little more than a show of force by the TSA in light of a massive resistance against their agenda, particularly in Texas where a recent bill that would have banned invasive TSA grope downs almost passed and is set to be up for debate again.

Michael Cleveland, federal security director for TSA operations in West Virginia admitted as much when he said the event was about letting, “people know we’re out here.”

As we have documented, TSA grope downs and body scans are now being rolled out on highways, street corners, train stations, bus depots, public buildings, at sports events, and even at local prom nights as part of the VIPR (Visible Intermodal Prevention and Response) takeover of the country.

The TSA has also announced its intention to expand the VIPR program to include roadside inspections of commercial vehicles, setting up a network of internal checkpoints and rolling out security procedures already active in airports, bus terminals and subway stations to roads and highways across the United States.

These internal checkpoints, run by Homeland Security, the Department of Transportation, and the TSA, involve trucks being scanned with backscatter x-ray devices in the name of “safety” and “counter terrorism”.

Since the launch of the Department of Homeland Security’s “See Something, Say Something” program, the DHS has also released promotional material which depicts would-be TSA agents conducting searches at public events, including a Buccaneers football game.

Homeland Security is also developing technology to be used at “security events” which purports to monitor “malintent” on behalf of an individual who passes through a checkpoint.

Forget the airports, the TSA has already spread its tentacles to invade almost every public facet of American society.

President Obama’s election campaign promise to create a domestic “security force,” that is “just as powerful, just as strong” as the US military is now coming to fruition as the TSA expands to turn American into a checkpoint-festooned hellhole where constant fearmongering about terror threats is the justification for the construction of a Sovietized police state.
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Re: Feb. 3rd 2010. It's Official, U.S.A. a Police State

Postby RG1981 » Mon Jun 20, 2011 1:00 pm

lol quoting stories from Infowars? Alex Jones? The guy who said that the movie "Machete" was going to cause a race war that would collapse US society if it was released...the guy who said on Y2K that Russian nukes were on their way to the USA...the guy who says that skyscrapers are designed to look like ancient satanic monuments because the business elite are all devil worshiping Freemasons...the guy who considers David Icke a credible source and trusted investigator (David Icke claims to have been abducted by aliens on multiple occasions and they sent him back to Earth as a reincarnation of Jesus Christ)...the same Alex Jones that tells his audience to get armed, buy ammo, and train yourself to kill police officers and government officials but then says "he's never promoted violence"...the same Alex Jones that runs the 9/11 truth movement. Anything that comes off of Infowars you can pretty much immediately throw right in the trash can.
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Re: Feb. 3rd 2010. It's Official, U.S.A. a Police State

Postby Dosedmonkey » Mon Jun 20, 2011 2:52 pm

From Punta to Santiago the security is the same as all airports should be, metal detector for person, x-ray for hand luggage, no weapons allowed on board the airplane (Yes I'm talking about knifes/leathermens, amazing amount of people think they are acceptable). I think internal flights get different checks at customs sometimes, sometimes they check all bags, for other illegal substances then foreign foods.

This video says a lot about US police state, full on unbelieveable these cops;
http://youtu.be/WGD6P6Ypc7Y
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Re: Feb. 3rd 2010. It's Official, U.S.A. a Police State

Postby RG1981 » Mon Jun 20, 2011 3:15 pm

Dosedmonkey wrote:This video says a lot about US police state, full on unbelieveable these cops;
http://youtu.be/WGD6P6Ypc7Y


Actually that video says a lot about angry cops. How do you know they weren't arrested or fired after this incident? Do you have any more information other than a few seconds clip that only shows one single part of what happened?

If they were fired or punished, there goes your police state argument. If they had some reason for taking this action (which we don't know because neither the clip, nor the description of the video give any information at all) then it might have been justified.

Wow, look at that. Just about 15 seconds of critical thinking can work wonders, huh?
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Re: Feb. 3rd 2010. It's Official, U.S.A. a Police State

Postby mlightheart » Mon Jun 20, 2011 4:40 pm

RG1981 wrote:
Dosedmonkey wrote:This video says a lot about US police state, full on unbelieveable these cops;
http://youtu.be/WGD6P6Ypc7Y


Actually that video says a lot about angry cops. How do you know they weren't arrested or fired after this incident? Do you have any more information other than a few seconds clip that only shows one single part of what happened?

If they were fired or punished, there goes your police state argument. If they had some reason for taking this action (which we don't know because neither the clip, nor the description of the video give any information at all) then it might have been justified.

Wow, look at that. Just about 15 seconds of critical thinking can work wonders, huh?


They probably were put on leave with pay if anything was done.
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