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Postby JHyre » Sun May 20, 2012 8:53 am

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/ ... story.html

Tin-foil hat types proved right again. Disturbing. The PDF that the article links to is worth downloading.

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Re: Just Take It

Postby rocksana » Sun May 20, 2012 5:33 pm

JHyre wrote:Tin-foil hat types proved right again. Disturbing. The PDF that the article links to is worth downloading.


Interesting article. Here more Orwellian stuff:

http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2 ... tat-foiled
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Re: Feb. 3rd 2010. It's Official, U.S.A. a Police State

Postby john » Mon May 21, 2012 4:47 am

The Creeping Fascism of American Politics

http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2 ... n-politics
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Re: Feb. 3rd 2010. It's Official, U.S.A. a Police State

Postby California South » Mon May 21, 2012 12:37 pm

Interesting article. Here more Orwellian stuff:

http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2 ... tat-foiled


What a joke:
Judge Forrest has asked Congress to clarify the language protecting America's right to trial and the first amendment's protections on speech and assembly. And now, Thursday, Representatives Adam Smith (Democrat, Washington) and Justin Amash (Republican, Michigan) have presented an amendment to Congress an amendment that does just that. Those who vote against it therefore will be voting clearly, and without any ambiguity, for stripping Americans of their constitutional rights and reducing them to the same potential status as "enemy combatants" and Guantánamo prisoners.
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They will do just that. Too few are paying attention to this issue and those who are, have no power. All bets are off now.

John, I like this comment following the article you posted a link to "The Creeping Fascism of American Politics":
How could anyone think we aren't *already* being fed a tremendous amount of propaganda!? Pretty much the sole remaining purpose of the mainstream media is to force-feed us whatever horse-dooky–laced pablum the government hands them


and this is superb:
The insertion of such a provision is propaganda itself: It's reassuring the public that propaganda doesn't already exist, because it isn't legal.
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Re: The Police State Is Here...

Postby greg~judy » Tue May 22, 2012 10:21 pm

nothing to see here - move along - move along...

The Police State Is Here... :evil:
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article31396.htm

“There are those who still think they are holding the pass against a revolution that may be coming up the road. But they are gazing in the wrong direction. The revolution is behind them. It went by in the Night of Depression, singing songs to freedom.”

Those are the words of Garet Garrett, the 20th-century journalist and writer, who lamented the collapse of the old Republic and the rise of the American managerial/administrative state — the consummation of which he had witnessed in Franklin D. Roosevelt’s New Deal.

Garrett’s observation came to mind the other day as I was contemplating the current state of civil liberties and privacy in 21st-century America. Could it be that rather than fending off the possibility of a police state arising in the future, we are already confronted with the grim reality of one in the present?

The country’s degeneration into a police state has been observable for decades, but it accelerated after 9/11 when the George W. Bush administration exploited the crisis atmosphere to ram through a series of unconstitutional and tyrannical measures. Fear became the coin of the realm as the American people traded away their liberties for the empty promise of security.

That such a deal would turn sour was foreseeable. Benjamin Franklin told his fellow countrymen 250 years ago, “Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.”

His admonition, of course, hasn’t always been heeded. The country’s history is replete with examples of the American people succumbing to paroxysms of fear and hysteria, often resulting in gross violations of civil liberties. But these episodes, however terrible, were short-lived because they were reactions to temporary crises. Today Americans are confronted with something entirely different — we are told this crisis is permanent.

The federal government now boasts 16 national intelligence agencies, spending an estimated $100 billion per year and employing an army of staffers and contractors who routinely (and illegally) spy domestically. Investigative journalist James Bamford recently wrote in Wired magazine that the National Security Agency is putting finishing touches on a massive data storage center in Utah as part of its “Stellar Wind” program, a massive surveillance and data-mining operation that involves collecting, storing, and examining billions of domestic phone calls and email messages.

This project is a culmination of a decade-long effort by the nation’s spy agencies to create a panoptic society, in which the entire population is brought under round-the-clock government surveillance. This is no longer the stuff of dystopian futuristic novels and is now a grim reality, largely because of the stupendous increases in computing power and storage capacity achieved in recent years. “Total information awareness” is now feasible thanks to the geniuses in Silicon Valley — and it is now considered permissible by the psychopaths and control freaks running the national-security state.

John Whitehead of the Rutherford Institute provided an excellent summation of the problem in a piece he wrote late last year:

The U.S. government now has at its disposal a technological arsenal so sophisticated and invasive as to render any constitutional protections null and void. And these technologies are being used by the government to invade the privacy of the American people. Several years ago, government officials acknowledged that the nefarious intelligence gathering entity known as the National Security Agency (NSA) had exceeded its legal authority by eavesdropping on Americans’ private email messages and phone calls. However, these reports barely scratch the surface of what we are coming to recognize as a “security/industrial complex” — a marriage of government, military and corporate interests aimed at keeping Americans under constant surveillance. The increasingly complex security needs of our massive federal government, especially in the areas of defense, surveillance and data management, have been met within the corporate sector, which has shown itself to be a powerful ally that both depends on and feeds the growth of governmental bureaucracy.

The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) recently made headlines when it purchased 450 million rounds of .40-caliber ammunition. Why is DHS hoarding that much ammo? What kind of trouble are they expecting?

The Transportation Security Agency has extended its jurisdiction beyond airports and now is groping and irradiating Americans at train stations, bus depots, and the nation’s highways.

So-called fusion centers have popped up in 49 states, amassing files on ordinary Americans for doing the most ordinary of things.

State and local police departments have been gradually assimilated into what journalist William Norman Grigg calls the “vertically integrated Homeland Security State.” This integration has largely been a function of the federal government’s so-called wars on drugs and terrorism.

In this process, police departments have been transmogrified into virtual standing armies, endowed with an array of military-grade weapons and equipment. SWAT teams, once a rarity, have proliferated throughout the country and are increasingly used in routine police work. And this militarization of the police has been coupled with the use of actual military personnel domestically.

The emergence of the police state has predictably resulted in the swelling of the nation’s prison population, which is now the largest in the world. Police are now jailing people for the “crimes” of selling raw milk or buying too much Sudafed. A massive snarl of regulatory red tape dangles above the head of every American, threatening to impose crushing fines and even imprisonment. As former assistant Treasury Secretary Paul Craig Roberts says, “long before 9/11 US law had ceased to be a shield of the people and had been turned into a weapon in the hands of the government.”

The nation’s courts, rather than checking the police state’s relentless expansion, have become its enabler. The Indiana Supreme Court ruled in Barnes v. State that citizens do not have the right to resist police officers who enter their homes illegally. The U.S. Supreme Court delivered a severe blow to the Fourth Amendment when it ruled in Kentucky v. King that police could break into a home without a warrant so long as they suspected that those inside were in possession of illegal drugs. And just a few weeks ago, the court ruled that law-enforcement officials, whether local, state, or federal, have the authority to strip-search anyone they arrest for any reason.

What recourse do the people have when police forces violate the very law they are sworn to uphold and the courts become complicit in their abuse? As disturbing as that question is, it is one that American people must ask themselves if the country’s descent into tyranny is to be arrested.

The recently passed Federal Aviation Administration Air Transportation Modernization and Safety Act includes an amendment authorizing the use of spy drones in American airspace. The bill’s passage was apparently anticipated by law-enforcement agencies across the nation, as many of them had already deployed spy drones as part of their domestic police work. U.S. Customs and Border Protection, the FBI, and the DEA are also using spy drones in their operations.

The Patriot Act, the Military Commissions Act, the Protect America Act, and the more recent National Defense Authorization Act of 2012 (NDAA) are all grossly unconstitutional, yet they passed through Congress with overwhelming bipartisan support. The NDAA is particularly egregious, for it not only explicitly authorizes indefinite detentions of U.S. citizens on American soil but also requires that detainees be held in military custody.

The Federal Restricted Buildings and Grounds Improvement Act codifies the federal government’s practice of intimidating and silencing protestors. The ostensible purpose of the law is to prevent the unlawful disruption of government business or “official functions,” but what is “unlawful” is left to the discretion of federal agents. Indeed, the language of the law is so vague that it arguably constitutes a suspension of the First Amendment right to free speech and peaceful assembly.

And then there is the National Defense Resources Preparedness executive order, which authorizes a federal-government takeover of the entire economy during a declared “national emergency.” President Obama claims this authority under the Constitution, of course, and the Defense Production Act of 1950, a law that historian Robert Higgs says gives the president “lawful authority to control virtually the whole of the U.S. economy whenever he chooses to do so and states that the national defense requires such a government takeover.”

So all the president has to do is to declare a nebulous “national emergency,” and his agents can seize control of every factory, farm, and business in the country and lay claim to all its resources, including labor.

The intent of this short essay is not to provide a “list of horribles” committed by the government (although such an accounting is useful) but to point out that the much-feared police state has come into being. Its growth had been gradual, which contributed to the public’s indifference, but it metastasized after 9/11, when the remaining legal barriers to the state’s expansion were taken down in the name of “national security.” A large portion of the public appears to be appropriately alarmed, but it remains to be seen whether this will reach a critical mass in time to reverse the country’s destructive course.

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Re: Feb. 3rd 2010. It's Official, U.S.A. a Police State

Postby john » Wed May 23, 2012 1:43 am

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Re: Feb. 3rd 2010. It's Official, U.S.A. a Police State

Postby California South » Wed May 23, 2012 1:46 pm

Interesting comment to the NATO article / John's link:

Ran into this just now, with video:

http://tv.globalresearch.ca/2012/05/hil ... d-al-qaeda

Hillary Clinton Admits the U.S. Government Created al-Qaeda
by grtv

The Mujahideen were the "database" of Al-Qaeda assets. Al-Qaeda are a controlled opposition force of the Central Intelligence Agency to promote their middle east destabilization process, to give empirical U.S. Military Industrial Complex a reason to invade wherever they want in the ever widening "war on terror" fraud.


And to those who decry conspiracy, may I suggest a prophetic book from 1972 entitled "None Dare Call It Conspiracy". Coincidentally, I was reading about it this morning: 14 Signposts to Slavery http://lewrockwell.com/orig11/sullivan-c10.1.html
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Re: Feb. 3rd 2010. It's Official, U.S.A. a Police State

Postby admin » Wed May 23, 2012 3:07 pm

There was a great movie a few years ago, Charlie Wilson's war about Afghanistan and the CIA efforts against the USSR. At the end of the movie one of the characters mentions in passing something about what to do now about the muslims they armed and trained.

Great movie, regardless of your political persuasion.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0472062/

yea, I think the 14 sign posts need an updating, because there was a whole lot of things in there that were not even technologically possible in 1972 and thus not even contemplated as possible. For example, interception and storage of every communication in the United States.

I had a friend that worked for the U.S. utility companies in the 70's. Now retired. He was telling me how in the 70's they were installing phone switches around the country that led directly to Washington, that were clearly for intercepting communication and no other purpose. That was back in like 1995, I recall having that conversation with him over a few beers. Now, even a private citizen or company with a little bit of money could buy even more advanced hardware to do the same thing off the shelf. Hell, I could rig something up to monitor at least a small city out of my computer parts junk box.

Think some revisions.

14 SIGNPOSTS TO SLAVERY

1. Restrictions on taking money out of the country and on the establishment or retention of a foreign bank account by an American citizen.

Check

2. Abolition of private ownership of hand guns.

They have not really done it yet, but I also don't think they need to. Are a bunch of pissed off American's with handguns, really going to take on the military or an even medium size police department?

Technology has made this obsolete.

3. Detention of individuals without judicial process.

Check

4. Requirements that private financial transactions be keyed to social security numbers or other government identification so that government records of these transactions can be fed into a computer.

Computers have come a long way. So, this is obsolete.

5. Use of compulsory education laws to forbid attendance at presently existing private schools.

Not sure what this meant then, but this gets a check simply because cost of tuition has essentially excluded most of the population from getting a foot in the door to private schools for a while. I guess the idea was that private education might be outlawed, as public schools take over the brainwashing (or lack of anything).

6. Compulsory non-military service.

Not sure what this means, but not sure it is relevant either.

7. Compulsory psychological treatment for non-government workers or public school children.

Check, that has been around for a long time. Riddlen anyone?

8. An official declaration that anti-communist (Patriot) organizations are subversive and subsequent legal action taken to suppress them.

Check, been around for a long time. Communist not so much, but whatever can be inserted.

9. Laws limiting the number of people allowed to meet in a private home.

Don't think that is relevant. 10 people or a 100 people, don't see how that is anymore or less of threat.

10. Any significant change in passport regulations to make passports more difficult to obtain.

Check

11. Wage and price controls, especially in a non-wartime situation.

Check

12. Any kind of compulsory registration with the government of where individuals work.

Check, but obsolete

13. Any attempt to restrict freedom of movement within the United States.

TSA anyone?

14. Any attempt to make a new major law by executive decree (that is, actually put into effect, not merely authorized as by existing executive orders.)

Check

So, we have all points either checked, made obsolete by technology, or simply no longer applicable.

So, are we there?
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Re: Feb. 3rd 2010. It's Official, U.S.A. a Police State

Postby California South » Wed May 23, 2012 3:30 pm

I always benefit from your analyses.
To: #6. Compulsory non-military service.
I'm not sure what happened with H.R. 5741, but as we know, these things never go away, merely transformed into something more onerous.
Official Summary
7/15/2010--Introduced.Universal National Service Act - Declares that it is the obligation of every U.S. citizen, and every other person residing in the United States, between the ages of 18 and 42 to perform a two-year period of national service, unless exempted, either as a member of an active or reserve component of the Armed Forces or in a civilian capacity that promotes national defense. Requires induction into national service by the President. Allows persons to be inducted only:
(1) under a declaration of war or national emergency; or
(2) when members of the Armed Forces are engaged in a contingency operation. Requires each person, before induction, to be examined physically and mentally for classification for fitness to perform. Sets forth provisions governing:
(1) induction deferments, postponements, and exemptions, including exemption of a conscientious objector from combatant training and military service; and
(2) discharge following national service. Amends the Military Selective Service Act to authorize the military registration of females.

Complete text of bill: http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h5741/text
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Re: Feb. 3rd 2010. It's Official, U.S.A. a Police State

Postby eeuunikkeiexpat » Wed May 23, 2012 3:34 pm

California South wrote:may I suggest a prophetic book from 1972 entitled "None Dare Call It Conspiracy". Coincidentally, I was reading about it this morning: 14 Signposts to Slavery http://lewrockwell.com/orig11/sullivan-c10.1.html

Maybe veering a little off topic, but actually no becasue it does have to do with Chile. From what I recall, Gary Allen moved to and lived in Chile during the 80s. His abode became the center of a famous home invasion story in the Chile press where the family was terrorized and the nana forced into a sex act. Just a tidbit...
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Re: Feb. 3rd 2010. It's Official, U.S.A. a Police State

Postby California South » Wed May 23, 2012 4:00 pm

and here are the seeds of compulsory non military service: http://change.gov/americaserves/
Predictive programming.
Again, who knows how far it's gone or what it will look like when morphed into it's intended model.
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Re: Feb. 3rd 2010. It's Official, U.S.A. a Police State

Postby California South » Wed May 23, 2012 4:03 pm

Fascinating, eeuu.
"..a famous home invasion story.." Too coincidental. Bet he was specifically targeted.
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