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greg~judy wrote:The USA closes - only 2/100ths of a point behind Russia.[/b]

Hmm... I'm puzzled. What does it tell us about the USA? Or Russia? Or the quality and objectivity of the report?

Good-Bye
Truth Has Fallen and Taken Liberty With It
http://www.counterpunch.org/roberts03242010.html

By PAUL CRAIG ROBERTS

There was a time when the pen was mightier than the sword. That was a time when people believed in truth and regarded truth as an independent power and not as an auxiliary for government, class, race, ideological, personal, or financial interest.

Today Americans are ruled by propaganda. Americans have little regard for truth, little access to it, and little ability to recognize it.

Truth is an unwelcome entity. It is disturbing. It is off limits. Those who speak it run the risk of being branded “anti-American,” “anti-semite” or “conspiracy theorist.”

Truth is an inconvenience for government and for the interest groups whose campaign contributions control government.

Truth is an inconvenience for prosecutors who want convictions, not the discovery of innocence or guilt.

Truth is inconvenient for ideologues.

Today many whose goal once was the discovery of truth are now paid handsomely to hide it. “Free market economists” are paid to sell offshoring to the American people. High-productivity, high value-added American jobs are denigrated as dirty, old industrial jobs. Relicts from long ago, we are best shed of them. Their place has been taken by “the New Economy,” a mythical economy that allegedly consists of high-tech white collar jobs in which Americans innovate and finance activities that occur offshore. All Americans need in order to participate in this “new economy” are finance degrees from Ivy League universities, and then they will work on Wall Street at million dollar jobs.

Economists who were once respectable took money to contribute to this myth of “the New Economy.”

And not only economists sell their souls for filthy lucre. Recently we have had reports of medical doctors who, for money, have published in peer-reviewed journals concocted “studies” that hype this or that new medicine produced by pharmaceutical companies that paid for the “studies.”

The Council of Europe is investigating the drug companies’ role in hyping a false swine flu pandemic in order to gain billions of dollars in sales of the vaccine.

The media helped the US military hype its recent Marja offensive in Afghanistan, describing Marja as a city of 80,000 under Taliban control. It turns out that Marja is not urban but a collection of village farms.

And there is the global warming scandal, in which NGOs. the UN, and the nuclear industry colluded in concocting a doomsday scenario in order to create profit in pollution.

Wherever one looks, truth has fallen to money.

Wherever money is insufficient to bury the truth, ignorance, propaganda, and short memories finish the job.

I remember when, following CIA director William Colby’s testimony before the Church Committee in the mid-1970s, presidents Gerald Ford and Ronald Reagan issued executive orders preventing the CIA and U.S. black-op groups from assassinating foreign leaders. In 2010 the US Congress was told by Dennis Blair, head of national intelligence, that the US now assassinates its own citizens in addition to foreign leaders.

When Blair told the House Intelligence Committee that US citizens no longer needed to be arrested, charged, tried, and convicted of a capital crime, just murdered on suspicion alone of being a “threat,” he wasn’t impeached. No investigation pursued. Nothing happened. There was no Church Committee. In the mid-1970s the CIA got into trouble for plots to kill Castro. Today it is American citizens who are on the hit list. Whatever objections there might be don’t carry any weight. No one in government is in any trouble over the assassination of U.S. citizens by the U.S. government.

As an economist, I am astonished that the American economics profession has no awareness whatsoever that the U.S. economy has been destroyed by the offshoring of U.S. GDP to overseas countries. U.S. corporations, in pursuit of absolute advantage or lowest labor costs and maximum CEO “performance bonuses,” have moved the production of goods and services marketed to Americans to China, India, and elsewhere abroad. When I read economists describe offshoring as free trade based on comparative advantage, I realize that there is no intelligence or integrity in the American economics profession.

Intelligence and integrity have been purchased by money. The transnational or global U.S. corporations pay multi-million dollar compensation packages to top managers, who achieve these “performance awards” by replacing U.S. labor with foreign labor. While Washington worries about “the Muslim threat,” Wall Street, U.S. corporations and “free market” shills destroy the U.S. economy and the prospects of tens of millions of Americans.

Americans, or most of them, have proved to be putty in the hands of the police state.

Americans have bought into the government’s claim that security requires the suspension of civil liberties and accountable government. Astonishingly, Americans, or most of them, believe that civil liberties, such as habeas corpus and due process, protect “terrorists,” and not themselves. Many also believe that the Constitution is a tired old document that prevents government from exercising the kind of police state powers necessary to keep Americans safe and free.

Most Americans are unlikely to hear from anyone who would tell them any different.

I was associate editor and columnist for the Wall Street Journal. I was Business Week’s first outside columnist, a position I held for 15 years. I was columnist for a decade for Scripps Howard News Service, carried in 300 newspapers. I was a columnist for the Washington Times and for newspapers in France and Italy and for a magazine in Germany. I was a contributor to the New York Times and a regular feature in the Los Angeles Times. Today I cannot publish in, or appear on, the American “mainstream media.”

For the last six years I have been banned from the “mainstream media.” My last column in the New York Times appeared in January, 2004, coauthored with Democratic U.S. Senator Charles Schumer representing New York. We addressed the offshoring of U.S. jobs. Our op-ed article produced a conference at the Brookings Institution in Washington, D.C. and live coverage by C-Span. A debate was launched. No such thing could happen today.

For years I was a mainstay at the Washington Times, producing credibility for the Moony newspaper as a Business Week columnist, former Wall Street Journal editor, and former Assistant Secretary of the U.S. Treasury. But when I began criticizing Bush’s wars of aggression, the order came down to Mary Lou Forbes to cancel my column.

The American corporate media does not serve the truth. It serves the government and the interest groups that empower the government.

America’s fate was sealed when the public and the anti-war movement bought the government’s 9/11 conspiracy theory. The government’s account of 9/11 is contradicted by much evidence. Nevertheless, this defining event of our time, which has launched the US on interminable wars of aggression and a domestic police state, is a taboo topic for investigation in the media. It is pointless to complain of war and a police state when one accepts the premise upon which they are based.

These trillion dollar wars have created financing problems for Washington’s deficits and threaten the U.S. dollar’s role as world reserve currency. The wars and the pressure that the budget deficits put on the dollar’s value have put Social Security and Medicare on the chopping block. Former Goldman Sachs chairman and U.S. Treasury Secretary Hank Paulson is after these protections for the elderly. Fed chairman Bernanke is also after them. The Republicans are after them as well. These protections are called “entitlements” as if they are some sort of welfare that people have not paid for in payroll taxes all their working lives.

With over 21 per cent unemployment as measured by the methodology of 1980, with American jobs, GDP, and technology having been given to China and India, with war being Washington’s greatest commitment, with the dollar over-burdened with debt, with civil liberty sacrificed to the “war on terror,” the liberty and prosperity of the American people have been thrown into the trash bin of history.

The militarism of the U.S. and Israeli states, and Wall Street and corporate greed, will now run their course. As the pen is censored and its might extinguished, I am signing off.

The only previously MSM US columnist not afraid to tell the truth for the past decade signs off yesterday March 24, 2010.

I'll say it again like I've said it since certain realizations back in late September 2001, protect yourself because no one else can or will. But I repeat myself.

Keep a low profile, do what needs to be done and don't waste your time with those who ridicule you or who for all intents and purposes are sheep. In fact, lifting your head above the crowd or getting up on the soapbox should be avoided. Look at PCR and all the work he did to inform and educate the US public; what did it come to?

Read Atlas Shrugged and understand the whole concept of going on strike. Think, read between the lines and act swiftly and quietly on your own.

Signing off.

Noches.

Cannot find much fault with what Paul Craig Roberts has written. However, I find it ironic that libertarians would bemoan the effects of off-shoring of jobs and technology by the leading corporations (prime movers ) given that laissez-faire economics is the lynchpin of their belief system. What am I missing here?

It seems to me that only the truely liberal progressives such as Ralph Nader, Bernie Sanders, and Dennis Kucinich have attempted to do anything politically abouts the matters highlighted by Mr. Roberts.

Just keep in mind that opinions are just that: opinions. They are not necessarily fact and they are not necessarily the truth. Opinions do not prove anything. All they do is tell you what someone thinks.

oregon woodsmoke wrote:Just keep in mind that opinions are just that: opinions. They are not necessarily fact and they are not necessarily the truth. Opinions do not prove anything. All they do is tell you what someone thinks.

Woodsmoke, please feel free to stop posting on any of my thread(s) I'd appreciate it, 'mkay?.

So what I'm hearing you say is that it is OK for you to have opinions and for you to express your opinions, but it is not OK for me to express my opinions? Did I understand you correctly?

Are you intending to run your own threads as a police state where nobody is allowed to think thoughts that do not agree with your policy? Am I in danger that you will send the thought police to execute me if I think something different from what you permit?

Just curious.

Chuck is a terminator working for the CIA under libertarian/right cover. He is flushing out dissidents that have speak of mind opinions on opinions as we all know that they are relative and that like ********, everyone has one. Expect the ninja team with silenced MP-5s to arrive at an unexpected time to take you out legally.

AMEN Woodsmoke !!!!!!

Didn't realize that threads were PRIVATE property

Exactly true, opinions are opinions and they SURE VARY IN EXTREMES

Who does the banning, moderator or adm

Stang

Yea, I do the banning around here. As long as you don't disagree with my opinions, you are likly o.k.



Luckily, I am getting progressively more tired of maintaining an opinion on this subject.

It is a beautiful day in Southern Chile. I plan to crack a bottle of Chilean wine and enjoy the end of the summer, while unplugging everything in honor of Earth Hour.

I have waisted far too many hours of my life worrying about a place I no longer live or ever see myself returning to live.

I live in a country where when a police officer asks me even the most run of the mill question, I don't have to first evaluate what their ulterior motives really are before answering them. Even the Chilean soldiers in zones under marshal law after the earthquake were more friendly and helpful than your average American traffic cop. That says it all right there. The Chilean military, after all of its years of international bad press over what happened under the dictatorship, I fear less than any U.S. traffic cop. And, It is not the traffic cops I am worried about in the States.

admin wrote:
I live in a country where when a police officer asks me even the most run of the mill question, I don't have to first evaluate what their ulterior motives really are before answering them. Even the Chilean the soldiers in zones under marshal law after the earthquake were more friendly and helpful than your average American traffic cop. That says it all right there. The Chilean military, after all of its years of international bad press over what happened under the dictatorship, I fear less than any U.S. traffic cop. And, It is not the traffic cops I am worried about in the States.

That's it in a nut shell right there.
The first thing that I realized after moving to "the land of the free" is that it is a defacto police state. The police are there for the benifit of themselves and their corporate masters.
Police have way too much power, way little respect for the citizen and no desire to serve as I had expected them to.

I think the single thing that impressed me most about Chile is the Carabineros and the professional way in which they conduct themseves.