Chile Forum

JvG wrote:… I am curious, regarding at least domestic airline flights in Chile, or in other SA countries, is the airport security like it is in the US, or is it more like a free country, like we used to be long ago?

Shoes stay on, laptop stays in it's case, no "freedom" liquid baggie needed or prohibitions on liquids in general, no nekid machine just a magnetometer.

Still got to careful with sharp objects including corkscrews and nail files.

All flights to the USA xSouth America though have another security theater show at the jetway during boarding for liquids and pat downs.

Actually I think it was just after Sept 11 2001 that it became ripe for a police state and the "patriot act"(talk about legislation passed than no one understood with no discussion) but many, many smaller things long before. The body scanners are in place now since the "underwear" bomber and many other regulations for baggage which change from one leg to another when flying. And they don't help security so much as help the airlines financially-less carry ons allowed, everything must fit in it-no book in your coat pocket anymore, it must be in the carry on. Charges for checked luggage on the second leg. Charges for blankets and pillows for some now-and remember if you carry your own on, they must fit in your carry on bag which airlines are becoming even more specific about.

To be "safe" US regs are adopted. I think most countries are adopting the same rules, including Canada, at least concerning mail or flights to the US and border crossing. But small things have happened for a long time that people accept. Canada in particular has adopted a lot of new "security" measures supposedly due to the Olympics. Not the Canadian border we once knew. I expect new security measures in Chile in the name of security too-they will say it's to prevent those "left wing" protesters but don't be surprised when it affects everyone. The easiest way to take away rights is in the name of "law and order". But I'm not quite sure which is the biggest brother, government or corporations or if they are the same now. But I tend to think corporations drive much of the government-security is much privatized which is profit driven so of course there is a strong motive to scare people more and make/add more security measures. Follow the money but people anywhere are easily convinced.

The problem for me is that its all bs, its the, bend over the old lady, let the blatant terrorist walk through for fear of not being PC issue.
This I dont like.

I read recently an article from the Israeli head of security for El Al airlines and he was talking about how much of a joke that US security is. Its all reactive and not proactive. Some idiot brings a liquid, now no one can, someone puts it in their shoes, now no shoes.
And by the way TSA, I just walked through Miami security to BWI and forgot I had a 9oz bottle of tylenol liquid cold med with me and no one noticed, useless govt workers.

I am fine with security, questioning and profiling when its due but this blatant stupidity and bend everyone over just because we really cant do our job effectively is just annoying.

Even at that, in regards to my car import story above, they never got the trunk open because they seemingly couldnt as they indicated to me but they did manage to destroy the lock trying to do so when they gave up.

Its amateur theater here.

News flash, everybody. Your US constitutional rights do not follow you across the border. Once you are outside the USA, you have no more US constitutional rights.

When you enter the USA, you are not inside the USA until after you have left immigration. Therefore you have no constitutional rights while you are in the immigration checkpoint.

That's no 9-11 big brother nonsense. The US Supreme Court has always declared it to be so. I wouldn't be surprised if it was one of the first rulings of the very first Supreme Court.

American tourists are always getting into trouble in foreign countries simply because they think they have constitutional protection and that foreign governments have to respect their rights. Not so.

oregon woodsmoke wrote:News flash, everybody. Your US constitutional rights do not follow you across the border. Once you are outside the USA, you have no more US constitutional rights.

When you enter the USA, you are not inside the USA until after you have left immigration. Therefore you have no constitutional rights while you are in the immigration checkpoint.

That's no 9-11 big brother nonsense. The US Supreme Court has always declared it to be so. I wouldn't be surprised if it was one of the first rulings of the very first Supreme Court.

American tourists are always getting into trouble in foreign countries simply because they think they have constitutional protection and that foreign governments have to respect their rights. Not so.

Certainly American tourists in a foreign country is entirely different but to say you have no constitutional rights in US immigration is certainly wrong. You may choose not to complain or exercise your rights but you do have rights which Ron Paul challenged part of recently. http://www.aclu.org/blog/technology-and ... h-case-cnn

And the " US Supreme Court has always declared it to be so" is not terribly correct. It would take more time than I have but history tells a different story. While US Border security has increasing power, especially since 9/11, I would not say you have no rights. They usually take your rights in the form of protecting the US from pornography, drugs and terrorists

The Bierfeldt case was about TSA in domestic USA territory not at a "border" which is manned by ICE/CBP (dudes with guns and real law enforcement officer status unlike the smurfs at TSA). I agree with ows that the court has upheld the special status of this no-mans zone known as the border checkpoint for immigrations and customs purposes. My previous post succinctly described a USA citizen's status in that no man's land.

Another point, if you (a US citizen) are ever in a situation where you want to stop the idiotic questioning of a CBP official, ask them if you can call your lawyer, that will stop them from the idiotic questions but not a search. They can search without a lawyer being present, without RS and without PC.

Paul Craig Roberts also researched and coauthored the book on the alternative view of the Pinochet era (genuine dirty civil war with bad stuff and extremes on both sides vs. the left's view that Allende and followers were martyred angels).

He was scathingly anti-W Bush and anti-neocon and joined with many respected researchers, scientists and engineers in the push for the answers to what really happened on 11 / 09 / 01 and the justifications used for the final scrapping of the Constitution and endless corp-gov wars of incalculable human and financial costs.

I'm sure many will cast aspersions to his pronouncements just because…

I have never known PCR to be wrong about anything he has written. He is one of the few who really understands Geopolitics and socioeconomics. http://www.vdare.com is his website

2001, the "Patriot" Act. 2006, the Military Commissions Act. And now, (drum roll please)........... the "Enemy Belligerent, Interrogation, Detention, and Prosecution Act of 2010. http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2010/03/a-detention-bill-you-ought-to-read-more-carefully/37116 Congratulations USA! You're now into old time Soviet Russia territory. Of course in the USA we have a hi-tech barbarism with new and improved methods of murdering and subjugating people. None of that old inefficient vise-grips on the testicles stuff for us, we have electronic devices to do that now.

If anyone has any doubt on how much a police state the US is, just watch the War on Kids http: //www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nlnwm11d6II

WARNING: some scenes are quite distressing.

I lived there when I was growing up and have good memories but that was long ago and I wouldn't go back if they paid me.

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As if you wanted or needed any more evidence...
An interesting .pdf

The Electronic Police State
2010 National Rankings
The USA closes - only 2/100ths of a point behind Russia.

https://secure.cryptohippie.com/pubs/EPS-2010.pdf