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Homeless & seeking...

Postby greg~judy on Thu Jan 28, 2010 10:20 am

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Greetings to all... we finally joined allchile, after many months of (anonymously) reading and researching thru the wealth of information you folks have to offer.
We are Greg~Judy - homeless xpats - been wandering the whirld since 1997 (China, Thailand, SE Asia, Ecuador, Middle East, India, Argentina).
Biked from P. Montt to Esquel last Oct. - been living here for 3 months. Recently visited Futa and met Vicki~Greg and Paul~Konomi.
Anyone interested in seeing some of our pictures thru Patagonia - they are posted on Paul's OurLittleThing http://ourlittlething.ning.com/photo/album/listForOwner?screenName=3ebsk1o8uwi8d
Planning on biking back into Chile in Mar. - over to Chaiten, thru Chiloe and up... exploring where we want to establish a "home" and gain residency.
We are developing a "short-list" of places to visit thru regions X-XIV-IX-VIII-VII-VI... smaller population centers (+/- 10k-20k) on the coast, or inland...
If anyone has a favorite place to suggest we tour thru, please do.
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Re: Homeless & seeking...

Postby helitool on Thu Jan 28, 2010 11:17 am

Sawadi Krahp! Welcome to the forum! Very impressive photos of the south (some of the best I have seen). Did you acquire your bike, in Chile or was it imported? How would you rate the difficulty of biking through the areas you have been to? physically strenuous? How many hours between towns? Did you mostly camp out or stay the night in villages along the way? I take it you are not the usual armchair type of traveler? :D

We currently have a house in Chiang Mai Thailand and are currently finishing up our residency paper work for a move to Chile in April.
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Re: Homeless & seeking...

Postby greg~judy on Thu Jan 28, 2010 12:06 pm

sawadee krap, helitool...
Thanx for the compliment... I try to do my best for composition and color.
We brought the bike from YVR-SCL... Air Canada has a flat rate $100 for a bike box... and Sky didn't charge anything to PMC.
We biked up thru Paso Samore, then down thru Angostura, Bariloche, Bolson, then onto the ripio to Cholila and thru Los Alerces. With a loaded tandem + trailer, we found 70km/day reasonable - with obligatory wine and photo stops... but we had a few brutally long 80+ km days on ripio. Some ripio is relatively benign... some can be brutal... and then we all know about the Patagonian winds...eh? Although we were prepared to camp... the weather in Oct. made us look for a roof over our heads at night - got stuck in Bolson for a week during a big storm, but then there are far worse places to be stuck.
BTW... We spent 2 years in S. Thailand... one around Nakon Srithammarat... another south of Had Yai, in Klong Ngai, about 25km from the Malaysian border. Loved Satun and did a lot of "exploring" around the Andaman islands.
Chok de krap on your pending move... where will you be in April - maybe we'll pass by?
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Re: Homeless & seeking...

Postby helitool on Thu Jan 28, 2010 2:07 pm

It will be fall going into winter down there so we will probably go to Aríca up north for 6 months and rent an apartment for that time and get our Spanish up to speed. Then slowly work our way south down to the lake district trying to find the ideal spot to settle in. Maybe way south for the summers and way north for the winters. Judging by the quality of the photos you probably did not scrimp when you bought your camera! I took some of them up to full size and am using one for my desk top photo it is so large. You are providing a very valuable service to us not only by sharing your photos but also by showcasing a very neglected but extraordinarily efficient and appropriate means of transportation which appears to be ideally suited to that area. Thanks for sharing!
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Re: Homeless & seeking...

Postby greg~judy on Thu Jan 28, 2010 3:16 pm

Hmmm... we hadn't considered to "winter" up north... might be worth us thinking about?
We have to return to the Left Coast around Apr/May... then plan a return to Chile in Jun.
Your plan to start N then head S has some merit.

BTW... the cam is not any big deal... just a compact Leica D-Lux3.
I've used many bigger/better over the years... but any lens/body will never be as important as the eye in capturing an image. I generally crop the original a bit, to my own satisfaction, afterwards.
Glad you appreciate them. The pix on Paul's site are restricted to around 250-300kb... reduced from the originals - usually 3-4mb.

One of these daze (???)... I'll "go public" with more pix of our wanderings - in the Zhoushan islands off E. China... in western Sichaun and eastern Tibet... the Andaman islands... we also lived 10 months on Isla San Cristobal in the Galapagos... and lately, around Dharamsala, in Himachal Pradesh...
There are way too many good pix, but not enuff time (or discipline) to organize them!

About transport... we always bought bikes wherever we went.
(except for Dharamsala, the hills were way too steep, so we walked everywhere).
Bikes allowed for some amazing interactions, in rural areas, where other "tourists" rarely, if ever, went. This trip to Patagonia was the first time we actually brought our bike with us - Judy wouldn't have done it on a single.
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Re: Homeless & seeking...

Postby Ripsigg on Thu Jan 28, 2010 5:01 pm

greg~judy wrote:sawadee krap, helitool...
Thanx for the compliment... I try to do my best for composition and color.
We brought the bike from YVR-SCL... Air Canada has a flat rate $100 for a bike box... and Sky didn't charge anything to PMC.
We biked up thru Paso Samore, then down thru Angostura, Bariloche, Bolson, then onto the ripio to Cholila and thru Los Alerces. With a loaded tandem + trailer, we found 70km/day reasonable - with obligatory wine and photo stops... but we had a few brutally long 80+ km days on ripio. Some ripio is relatively benign... some can be brutal... and then we all know about the Patagonian winds...eh? Although we were prepared to camp... the weather in Oct. made us look for a roof over our heads at night - got stuck in Bolson for a week during a big storm, but then there are far worse places to be stuck.
BTW... We spent 2 years in S. Thailand... one around Nakon Srithammarat... another south of Had Yai, in Klong Ngai, about 25km from the Malaysian border. Loved Satun and did a lot of "exploring" around the Andaman islands.
Chok de krap on your pending move... where will you be in April - maybe we'll pass by?


Hmm, is what I said to myself as I started reading this post, without reading the names of the posters. Hmm, another person who spent time in Thailand. Hmm, southern Thailand. NST? Wow, I lived there. Had Yai? I lived there too! Klong Ngai? I know that place. Hmm, I wonder if I know them??!? Then I looked at the name....Greg and Judy. :) I worked with you guys in NST.

How have you all been? Me? I'm pretty sure you know who I am. Anyways, I am in Saipan. Heading over there by August/September. :mrgreen:
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Re: Homeless & seeking...

Postby greg~judy on Thu Jan 28, 2010 7:30 pm

Hmmm, yerself... indeed a small whirld!
There are a few folks from NST we know can obviously eliminate... and a couple names who you might be... but not sure???
I sent you a pm with our email address...
Talk to ya soon.
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Re: Homeless & seeking...

Postby RuneTheChookcha on Thu Jan 28, 2010 7:44 pm

greg~judy wrote:We are developing a "short-list" of places to visit thru regions X-XIV-IX-VIII-VII-VI..

Maybe you should look for a place where the grass is greener?.. :)

Seriously. The trees sometimes look healthy.. and in some other places they do not, right?..

If the grass grows strong, bright and tall -- this is probably a good place.. for a silly cow it would be good, at least..

If you can watch carefully all the plants, and herbs, and pay good attention, and as soon as you can really see "how they are" -- you can put all other people's advice to the garbage can, and choose the right place.. :alien:
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Re: Homeless & seeking...

Postby greg~judy on Thu Jan 28, 2010 7:56 pm

If you can watch carefully all the plants, and herbs, and pay good attention, and as soon as you can really see "how they are" -- you can put all other people's advice to the garbage can, and choose the right place..


Yes indeed... you offer wise advice, my bovine buddy... although the compost heap is preferable to the garbage can.
I always look for greener grass and pay very close attention to all manners of plants and herbs...
And where exactly are you grazing these daze, where said grass grows to nurture and satisfy your desires?
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Re: Homeless & seeking...

Postby RuneTheChookcha on Thu Jan 28, 2010 8:53 pm

Ja-ja-ja!.. :)

As one guy said, "...Wandering around, accept how it goes. Accepting how it goes, wander around. Do not be bounded by or settle into any place..."

The author was Hongzhi Zhenjue, actually.. of Mt. Tiantong in Ming Province, you know.. :alien:
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Re: Homeless & seeking...

Postby greg~judy on Thu Jan 28, 2010 9:26 pm

Yea verily Rune...
Wandering is known well to this poor soul... as is acceptance.
Yet roots that once were - must be set again, in time.
As rolling stones can gather no grass, so rolling bovines might grow weak and weary.

We shall not cease from exploration, and the end of all our exploring will be to arrive where we started, and know the place for the first time. - T.S. Eliot...

May you arrive where you started, Rune... as you will know the place, and also yourself.
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Re: Homeless & seeking...

Postby RuneTheChookcha on Fri Jan 29, 2010 1:09 pm

Now seriously.. because this forum is a serious one.. so we must put all these roots, stones and wanderings aside.. :)

greg~judy wrote:...western Sichaun and eastern Tibet...

People say, that there's now a good stone bridge between Western Sichuan and Eastern Tibet.. and that on the said bridge there are now many (now jobless) Taoist priests.. who are selling some cool animated/rotating avatars for expat forums.. Also, people say, that in the Cochiguaz Valley (in the 4th Region of Chile) there's an entrance into an underground passage that was dug many years ago, through the center of the Earth, and right to Tibet.. and that on those bridge in China those jobless Taoist priests are now selling tickets to Chile.. the tickets are rather expensive though.. so no one has arrived to Chile from there.. not a single one..

Noone..

How sad.. :alien:
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Re: Homeless & seeking...

Postby greg~judy on Fri Jan 29, 2010 9:31 pm

This seems to require a tangent to my post... to explain and elaborate on Rune's wise ruminations.
Rather than post a pm to His Ungulateness, I will share with all.

He posits... how did I arrive here... by bridge, or tunnel - and at what cost?
Rune says No One... could take the tunnel, or bridge?

The first issue, a tunnel - I cannot confirm, other than to relate a personal anecdote.
Some years ago (2005) when living in Ya'an, Sichuan - I undertook a circumnavigation, by foot, around GonggaShan in Kham, in eastern Tibet... After 4 days, traversing remote valleys and a 4,900m pass, I chanced to stop, with my companions, at GonggaShi - a small, isolated temple underneath the west face of the impressive ice mountain... (7556m - but once described, in 1930, as the highest mountain in the world)

After copious consumption of baijiu, we were introduced to the abbot of this alpine shrine... while touring his monastery, seeing amazing religious relics, centuries old... seeing Buddha's hand print in a rock, and the impressions of his buttocks, where he sat and rested - we passed by a curtained room through which our passage was denied. When queried, the abbot suggested a dark and mysterious passage, a cave, a tunnel, below Gongga, where unspeakable spirits dwelled and no one in living memory had explored - and returned. I thought no more of it and returned to my cups.
In retrospect, perhaps the Cochiguaz legend of a tunnel, thru the center of the earth, from Tibet to the Cochiguaz Valley may be true - not having passed that way, I cannot say.

In fact, GonggaShan (using GoogleEarth) is approx. 20,000km away from the Cochiguaz Valley... the furthest lineal distance on the globe = almost exactly opposite = if you went thru the center of the earth, these two points would join...
Hmmm... pretty coincidental & amazing.

BUT... the bridge...
Previously, in 2004, while living in the Zhoushan Islands, off the east coast of China - Judy & I were privileged to be the first laoweis ever, to visit the the furthest east island of DongJiDao - a small rocky island called DongFuShan. This, in legend and fact, is called the "EAST POLE" - the furthest eastern point of the Middle Kingdom.
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Widow's Peak - East end of DongFuShan
This intrigued me... and having access to GoogleEarth... I conducted some investigations. It so happens that the longest continuous ocean passage on the face of the earth starts from DongFuShan (30^ 7.8' N and 122^ 47.0' E) and ends, after 18,640 km, at the coast of Chile... around La Serena (30^ 8.3' S and 71^ 23.4' W).
Now the Cochiguaz Valley is (relatively) close - and given the inability of the Chinese scholars at the time to access GoogleEarth... their calculations are within reason for their EAST POLE - a pole generally accepted as an area of inaccessibility.
Hence the "bridge" may exist- not in physical form, but as a sailing link... (and you can go back to what Admiral Zheng He might have done on his last voyages - the records of which were destroyed)
Then as the EAST POLE exists, why can't the WEST POLE - the Cochiguaz Valley - why not a bridge between.

Rune's ruminations may hold a grain of truth - all respect to him.
The tunnel route is out... too hot down there, even for a cow... and no grass.
If cows could swim (circa 19,000km) the route is there...
Or, if cows could sail... but again, no grass... only nasty seaweed.
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Re: Homeless & seeking...

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Postby greg~judy on Fri Jan 29, 2010 11:21 pm

Absolutely, Charles... every country I have ever lived and traveled (and there have been many) has shown immense diversity.
The more we research, the bigger the box seems... but even then, we can visualize, at least, the contents and boundaries.
Tangents aside, that is our intention... explore the diversity.
And the direct, indirect and serendipitous links and ideas from people on this forum are proving indispensable in our planning... many thanks to all.
But putting boots on the ground (or wheels to the road) is undeniable the most important thing we will do.
Words and ideas are one thing, but actions truly speak louder than words - and will bring more results, as to our potential destinations and eventual commitments.
As stated in the original post... any/all ideas and inspirations are welcome.
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