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While my brief association with Heidegger philosophy seems to help me relate to El P's musings , I just don't get where Rune is coming from. Is he espousing Taoism or Zen Buddism (or a combination of both) or is it his own home-spun Eastern-style philosophy? Now added to the mix are the indecipherable (to me) opines of Greg~Judy.
Enough, already!!!

you guys make it all so complicated...just sip a beer by the beach.

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Yeah, for a guy who thinks words are meaningless, he sure likes to talk. (Just tweakin' ya, Rune).

I think it is best to not try to understand him, just accept him as he is. Sometimes he comes up with some very astute gems. Sometimes he gives some very good advice. Sometimes he just makes noise, a sort of Rune-ish Ooooooommmmmm.

No offense intended Rune!!! We all love you!!!

john wrote:While my brief association with Heidegger philosophy seems to help me relate to El P's musings , I just don't get where Rune is coming from. Is he espousing Taoism or Zen Buddism (or a combination of both) or is it his own home-spun Eastern-style philosophy? Now added to the mix are the indecipherable (to me) opines of Greg~Judy.
Enough, already!!!

What is called "Taoism", or "Zen Buddhism", or "Yoga", or "Tantra", or "Sufism", or "What-Ever-ism", and the like, in the West are but just "names" and "labels" for the various, often very seriously misunderstood and misinterpreted in the West (and at the present time -- in the East also) systems of thought.

Most people in the West are now familiar with just some sort of profanation, or over-complication, or so-called "interpretation", or "translation" to the Western languages of a relatively small number of ancient texts, related to these systems.

Almost all of them dealing (one way or another) with the Way and the Seeker, the Truth and the Means, the Goal and the Methods, these systems have caused innumerable "teachings", or "schools", or guru-led "spiritual groups" to emerge in the West during the last century, and many of these "teachings" are quite popular today.

The problem with all these.. say, "teachings" is that the correct presentation of the original "way", or a "system of thought" in the West is practically nonexistent in these days, and also it has never been accomplished rightly in the past.

Further, if any of these can ever be correctly presented -- I would be surprised.

So, if we deal with something that is misunderstood both in the East and in the West, that has never been presented correctly in the past, and, in all probability, cannot ever be correctly presented... what's the practical (or any other, except, perhaps, academic) value of it?

john wrote:Now added to the mix are the indecipherable (to me) opines of Greg~Judy.

With respect to Greg~Judy, and their words: they seem to be good and honest guys, and speak very simple language, and their words are sincere and are coming from their heart, so why not to answer their questions?

Please don't mix them with Rune who is but a well-known a$$hole here, and the #1 "uneducated ape" (even though they understand, and can speak his "language").

Ventisquero wrote:So, if we deal with something that is misunderstood both in the East and in the West, that has never been presented correctly in the past, and, in all probability, cannot ever be correctly presented... what's the practical (or any other, except, perhaps, academic) value of it?

Aristotle wrote: "... bees detect food at a distance, and they do so recognizing it by smell ...".

Of all the posters on AllChile Rune is my favorite. I am a compulsive obsessive machinist, a nuts and bolts kind of person. People like Rune and Greg/Judy force me to think outside of the proverbial box I often find myself residing in. I am happy that he has finally found someone who is able to talk to him on his level of understanding. It must get lonely up there!

With respect to Greg~Judy, and their words: they seem to be good and honest guys, and speak very simple language, and their words are sincere and are coming from their heart, so why not to answer their questions?

Many thanks, Rune... you are both perceptive and wise.
Although tangential to my original post (homeless & seeking)... I have enjoyed our diverse (perverse?) discussions - and had much food for thought in grazing the greener grass with you.

I am also glad that this thread has finally attracted (?) a wider audience... (well met, my friends)
Although we might wander to and fro on the vagaries of words, semantics, life, truth, existence... hey...WTF?

But - to circle back to the start (as surely all things in existence exhibit circularity)... where do our new participants live in the Long, Thin Country... and what do you find there... ?
No need to elaborate at length... perhaps just a short haiku - of a location and an attribute, or attraction?

To wit...
azure waters flow swift
fish swim, kayakers play
eco-charms in Futaleufu

Of all the posters on AllChile Rune is my favorite. I am a compulsive obsessive machinist, a nuts and bolts kind of person. People like Rune and Greg/Judy force me to think outside of the proverbial box I often find myself residing in. I am happy that he has finally found someone who is able to talk to him on his level of understanding. It must get lonely up there!

Many thanks to you too, helitool...
Nice to be appreciated (...eh Rune?)
The more of the whirld I have seen and traveled, the more I find myself thinking and living outside that proverbial box.
If more beings escaped from that box... it would be a better whirld (IMHO)

RuneTheChookcha wrote:

Ventisquero wrote:So, if we deal with something that is misunderstood both in the East and in the West, that has never been presented correctly in the past, and, in all probability, cannot ever be correctly presented... what's the practical (or any other, except, perhaps, academic) value of it?

Aristotle wrote: "... bees detect food at a distance, and they do so recognizing it by smell ...".

Here you go! You're making progress, Rune. Quote Greeks more often, for they are better understood and can be correctly presented.

Should someone give an advice with regard to a "good" place to live, and then some other one listens to it, and then, a couple of years later, something bad would happen to the listener in the said "good" place.. what would they say about such adviser?.. Good words?.

And yet another reason for not giving advice is that I have not found a place for myself yet..

Having said that, here a link (note I never stayed there, and I don't know the owners): Google the "Refugio del Tricahue" (that is at the Armerillo village, before the "Puente de los Vientos", VII region.

Their Website wrote:... Lost in the vegetation, in a very quiet place, far from the stress of town and the classical travel ways, this little paradise is reserved for nature lovers in search of authenticity.

From the refuge, you can go trekking in the very close private park (see http://www.parquetricahue.cl), enter to Altos del Lircay National Park, discover the valleys, the little typical chilean villages, see beautiful rivers...

At some hundred meters from the refuge, discover the three main rivers of the area, and have a bath in the hot waters of the Maule River (in summer), in the very clear waters of the Tricahue River (at 1 km), in the cold waters of the Claro River (at 500 meters), in the Armerillo River, where local young people meet (at 3 km), or in the delicious clear and hot waters of the Melado River's pools (at 2 km).

We speak French, English, Spanish, a bit of Dutch and Chinese...