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greg~judy wrote:exploring where we want to establish a "home"

Ja-ja-ja!.. One silly cow, after some wandering the whirld (China, Thailand, SE Asia, Middle East, India ) once arrived in Chile (in June 2008, actually) with a foolish idea to find a place, where it would be possible to establish a "home", and do it within a month, or two. And you know what? Now, after about 20 months here in Chile -- still no place, no "home"..

Well, it would be possible (so I think) that if you describe what you're seeking and give more details (a large rural property? or a small house in a small town? or what else? the Sun? the Rain? the Ocean? the Internet? the strong Wind? the Silence? the fast River? the snowy Volcano in the moonlight? the Trees? the Forest? the Bird's songs? the Dogs poo? the clear Sky? the Stars? the Sand and the Stones? the Heat? or the Cold?) -- then forum members could give you some advice.

Hey?.. Forum members?.. Is that right?..

One silly cow, after some wandering the whirld once arrived in Chile (in June 2008, actually) with a foolish idea to find a place, where it would be possible to establish a "home", and do it within a month, or two. And you know what? Now, after about 20 months here in Chile -- still no place, no "home"..

So sad... that your wandering-searching for your greener grass must still continue - all things begin and end - I wish you good fortune.
Perhaps expectations are too high?
Perhaps compromises cannot be reached?
Perhaps the yin~yang have not been balanced?

Yes... I once had a "home" - but released it, for higher purposes (ask if you will)
Buddha said to let attachments go - the path to end suffering
I have been wandering not for 20 months (like one roaming ruminant) - but for a gross of months (12x12)
Still I seek... still I suffer... will it ever end
Yes, indeed it is foolish to think one might establish something in a month, or two - the questing is life.

Well, it would be possible (so I think) that if you describe what you're seeking and give more details (a large rural property? or a small house in a small town? or what else? the Sun? the Rain? the Ocean? the Internet? the strong Wind? the Silence? the fast River? the snowy Volcano in the moonlight? the Trees? the Forest? the Bird's songs? the Dogs poo? the clear Sky? the Stars? the Sand and the Stones? the Heat? or the Cold?)

Large - no need - small is beautiful, less is more
Small... of course - how much grass might one need
Sun... grass must have this, to grow tall (to feed cows)
Rain... this too, sun, rain, soil, manure... all for growth - and to drink
Ocean... not to drink, but to play – swim, dive, surf
Internet... ah, yes... the weakness... the necessity
Wind... not to fight, but for its caress & to play (with kites)
Silence... indeed, clamor can be left behind - silence is serene
River... for fisssh, my preciousss – I like fisssh
Volcano... beautiful - but not too close - sometimes they might be nasty
Moonlight... for the rites and rituals - and moonshadows
Trees... for hugging - and fruit - so fine
Forests... much O2 - breathe deep
Bird's song... to compliment the silence
Dog's poo... thank you, but no - especially not on my shoe
Clear sky... a joy, but sometimes with clouds - the balance, of course
Stars... to see shadows = on a moonless night
Sand & Stones... particles, inanimate, necessary, I accept them
Heat & Cold... the duality, the dialectic... both must exist

-- then forum members could give you some advice.

I await... where have you all found peace... where might I find the same... even though your needs and wants may differ, all things can be considered - what's good for the goose, might be good for the gander - what's good for the cow, might be good for the sheep... Baaaa~ram~ewe!
Where have you grazed, my unappreciated ungulate... where have you found green grass, in your search for greener - can you, will you, share - perhaps to name a heavenly hillside where wonderful weeds grow wild and lush in the sun and silly mushrooms arise from cowpies, following the gentle rains.

Jaaa-ja-ja!.. May I comment on such a crazy post?..

With regard to the name of this topic:

If what is really meant by 'Homeless & Seeking...' is a pointing to a state of mind (so to speak), then any attempt to answer such questions would certainly be not in agreement with the primary purpose of this forum. Further, unless it is answered by someone who has "arrived" (so to say) -- any words would be just wrong here. And, should it be answered by someone "arrived" (anyone?? ) -- the answer will go far far outside the scope or understanding of the majority of people in this World.

If what is meant by 'Homeless & Seeking...' is a just a question about finding a good place to live in Chile, then again, what is "good"? The various aspects of such "place" are innumerable (IMHO), and the "balance" (as you say) here is practically unreachable. The more is your sensitivity to what you call "balance" -- the less are your chances to find such a place.

Now, we have scared all the forum members out of this topic, right?..

I can only say a couple of words with regard to the nature. For some reason, any place in Chile seems to have some sort of "strong" factors. Strong and powerful. I mean, the strong wind, the strong sun, the strong ocean, the strong rain, and even the mountains and hills here seem to be strong, and young. To have an idea of how any given "place" is, it would be advisable (IMHO) to spend all four seasons there, and try to see the effect that the changes in the nature during all the four seasons have on you personally. As you can see -- this method may take years and years (if you wish to compare just several regions).

Greg&Judy and Rune, just stop it right now!

You've gotten yourselves into a self reinforcing zen resonance feedback loop and your yingyangs are going to explode if you keep at it.

Both perceptive and accurate Rune... well done!
The Q+A as such, in this situation, will never be resolved.
You are right - the question(s) is(are) indeed rhetorical.

It was merely the way of an introduction... and continuing discourse... over a potentially wide range of topics.
Indeed, there may be no need even to register with allchile - as I (or others) may passively observe and glean what information might suit their needs.
What is "good" remains subjective, in the mind of the observer... what is "balance" can be seen as subjective - but there is objectivity also (hence, the balance)
From my recent queries, research, due diligence... I have already found a "place" that might offer the "balance" I need - albeit with readily acceptable compromises (all things in life involve compromise)
But if truth be told... it is the serendipitous that has been and remains the most productive... the links of links... the tangents... the unlookedfor connections and ideas... that are generally the most productive and rewarding.
I have already received (indirectly) many excellent ideas from forum participant.

Hence, I thank you, and all forum members (tourists, citizens, heroes, admins), not just for what might have been directly responded - but for the unasked and unspoken information that has existed "between the lines" in other posts.

Now, we have scared all the forum members out of this topic, right?..

I certainly hope not...
As Dubya famously spoke... Bring 'em on!

I can only say a couple of words with regard to the nature. For some reason, any place in Chile seems to have some sort of "strong" factors. Strong and powerful. I mean, the strong wind, the strong sun, the strong ocean, the strong rain, and even the mountains and hills here seem to be strong, and young. To have an idea of how any given "place" is, it would be advisable (IMHO) to spend all four seasons there, and try to see the effect that the changes in the nature during all the four seasons have on you personally. As you can see -- this method may take years and years (if you wish to compare just several regions).

Absolutely, I concur... I have lived with "strong and powerful" all my life - indeed, my life has been constantly shaped by these forces.
From mountains, to deserts, to coastal rain-forests, to oceans, from tropical, to arctic, to equatorial, to islands, to plains... such diversity - such influences!
Accept them all - this is where growth lies.
Without a doubt, the (multiples of) seasons in any chosen place must be addressed and recognized.
Time and seasons - yes!
Seasons come and go - but time... aaah, this is the only thing we spend, that can never be replaced... once gone, gone forever.

Greg&Judy and Rune, just stop it right now!
You've gotten yourselves into a self reinforcing zen resonance feedback loop and your yingyangs are going to explode if you keep at it.

No worries Helitool...
This too will pass... like I said, the questions have been answered already... the yin~yang continuum has been established between Rune & I - we can continue this in pm's.
I think I have too much idle time on my hands right now - perhaps an idle mind is a Zen workshop... Maybe it's time to head out in the Patagonian summer for a nice bike ride - and experience the "strong and powerful".
Hasta luego,

Now, if (Rune) were given a choice (where to live in Chile) at this point, (Rune) would probably prefer a relatively large rural property in the 7th region (Región del Maule), around 50 km or so towards the Andes (from Ruta 5), that would have its own small river, and some native forest, and [relatively] silent neighbors.

Ahhh, Rune... muchas gracias, my reluctant bovine confidant.
You know (as I) an answer freely given is not valued as much as an answer sought and obtained through effort...
Just as you can give a cow a fish, he will be happy and fed for one day - but teach a cow to fish = happy/fed all his days!
You have taught me to search for answers - as surely they will be found.
My respect.

Note to any/all allchile tourists... lessons learned!
Search First, ask later!
Some pearls of wisdom are held close between oyster's {hmmm... cow's?} lips...

Rune... we, your-as-yet-unmet-friends...greg~judy... will seek you in Maule (or are you now closer to Vicuna?) in March... and hopefully graze together for a time, contentedly chewing cud, seeking/sharing wisdom and greener grass... until such time!

greg~judy wrote:Buddha said to let attachments go - the path to end suffering

Our attachment to words included, for the concept of the "right word" (and the "wrong word") is based on our ability to determine the "rightness" of the words that are spoken by us, and also to determine the "rightness" of our intentions preceding our act of speech.

Unless we have arrived at the complete, full and final realization with respect to the real nature of "that" which causes us to speak -- the said ability of our deluded mind is obviously corrupt. May I repeat the words "complete", "full" and "final", for there is no "half-realization" in this regard. Therefore, "not speaking even a single word -- is called the precept of no lying", as per "The One Mind Precepts of Bodhidharma".

Any and all attempts to determine the "rightness" of our words, no matter how honest these attempts may seem to ourselves -- will unavoidably fail, unless we have arrived at the complete, full and final realization. Hence, "when you as much as open your mouth -- you are already off the point", as per "The Zen Teaching of Rinzai".

That is why this silly cow has repeatedly asked to disregard it's each and every post, and each and every word, whether said or written, whether "serious" or expressing "humor".

Now -- please disregard all this.

Peace.

Welcome to the Forum!

While my brief association with Heidegger philosophy seems to help me relate to El P's musings , I just don't get where Rune is coming from. Is he espousing Taoism or Zen Buddism (or a combination of both) or is it his own home-spun Eastern-style philosophy? Now added to the mix are the indecipherable (to me) opines of Greg~Judy.
Enough, already!!!

you guys make it all so complicated...just sip a beer by the beach.

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Yeah, for a guy who thinks words are meaningless, he sure likes to talk. (Just tweakin' ya, Rune).

I think it is best to not try to understand him, just accept him as he is. Sometimes he comes up with some very astute gems. Sometimes he gives some very good advice. Sometimes he just makes noise, a sort of Rune-ish Ooooooommmmmm.

No offense intended Rune!!! We all love you!!!

john wrote:While my brief association with Heidegger philosophy seems to help me relate to El P's musings , I just don't get where Rune is coming from. Is he espousing Taoism or Zen Buddism (or a combination of both) or is it his own home-spun Eastern-style philosophy? Now added to the mix are the indecipherable (to me) opines of Greg~Judy.
Enough, already!!!

What is called "Taoism", or "Zen Buddhism", or "Yoga", or "Tantra", or "Sufism", or "What-Ever-ism", and the like, in the West are but just "names" and "labels" for the various, often very seriously misunderstood and misinterpreted in the West (and at the present time -- in the East also) systems of thought.

Most people in the West are now familiar with just some sort of profanation, or over-complication, or so-called "interpretation", or "translation" to the Western languages of a relatively small number of ancient texts, related to these systems.

Almost all of them dealing (one way or another) with the Way and the Seeker, the Truth and the Means, the Goal and the Methods, these systems have caused innumerable "teachings", or "schools", or guru-led "spiritual groups" to emerge in the West during the last century, and many of these "teachings" are quite popular today.

The problem with all these.. say, "teachings" is that the correct presentation of the original "way", or a "system of thought" in the West is practically nonexistent in these days, and also it has never been accomplished rightly in the past.

Further, if any of these can ever be correctly presented -- I would be surprised.

So, if we deal with something that is misunderstood both in the East and in the West, that has never been presented correctly in the past, and, in all probability, cannot ever be correctly presented... what's the practical (or any other, except, perhaps, academic) value of it?