During an Earthquake-Why Duck and Cover Will Result in Death

Postby eeuunikkeiexpat » Wed Jan 27, 2010 9:21 pm

How timely. Not a post survival event article but a during an earthquake survival piece. Of course if you don't survive the EQ, the rest of your preps are worthless to you personally.

Ed was one of the responders to the Loma Prieta earthquake in the San Francisco.... He rescued people that were inside of the double decker freeway that collapsed.... Many people survived because they were laying next to their vehicles in the "triangle of life".

Interesting…

EXTRACT FROM DOUG COPP'S ARTICLE ON THE: 'TRIANGLE OF LIFE'

My name is Doug Copp. I am the Rescue Chief and Disaster Manager of the
American Rescue Team International (ARTI), the world's most experienced
rescue team. The information in this article will save lives in an
earthquake.

I have crawled inside 875 collapsed buildings, worked with rescue teams from
60 countries, founded rescue teams in several countries, and I am a member
of many rescue teams from many countries.

I was the United Nations expert in Disaster Mitigation for two years. I have
worked at every major disaster in the world since 1985, except for
simultaneous disasters.

The first building I ever crawled inside of was a school in Mexico City
during the 1985 earthquake. Every child was under its desk. Every child was
crushed to the thickness of their bones. They could have survived by lying
down next to their desks in the aisles. It was obscene, unnecessary and I
wondered why the children were not in the aisles. I didn't at the time know
that the children were told to hide under something. I am amazed that even
today schools are still using the ?Duck and Cover? instructions- telling the
children to squat under their desks with their heads bowed and covered with
their hands. This was the technique used in the Mexico City school.

Simply stated, when buildings collapse, the weight of the ceilings falling
upon the objects or furniture inside crushes these objects, leaving a space
or void next to them. This space is what I call the 'triangle of life'. The
larger the object, the stronger, the less it will compact. The less the
object compacts, the larger the void, the greater the probability that the
person who is using this void for safety will not be injured. The next time
you watch collapsed buildings, on television, count the 'triangles' you see
formed. They are everywhere. It is the most common shape, you will see, in a
collapsed building.

TIPS FOR EARTHQUAKE SAFETY

1) Almost everyone who simply 'ducks and covers' when buildings collapse ARE
CRUSHED TO DEATH. People who get under objects, like desks or cars, are
crushed.

2) Cats, dogs and babies often naturally curl up in the fetal position. You
should too in an earthquake. It is a natural safety/survival instinct. That
position helps you survive in a smaller void. Get next to an object, next to
a sofa, next to a large bulky object that will compress slightly but leave a
void next to it.

3) Wooden buildings are the safest type of construction to be in during an
earthquake. Wood is flexible and moves with the force of the earthquake. If
the wooden building does collapse, large survival voids are created. Also,
the wooden building has less concentrated, crushing weight. Brick buildings
will break into individual bricks. Bricks will cause many injuries but less
squashed bodies than concrete slabs. Concrete slab buildings are the most
dangerous during an earthquake.

4) If you are in bed during the night and an earthquake occurs, simply roll
off the bed. A safe void will exist around the bed. Hotels can achieve a
much greater survival rate in earthquakes, simply by posting a sign on the
back of the door of every room telling occupants to lie down on the floor,
next to the bottom of the bed during an earthquake.

5) If an earthquake happens and you cannot easily escape by getting out the
door or window, then lie down and curl up in the fetal position next to a
sofa, or large chair.

6) Almost everyone who gets under a doorway when buildings collapse is
killed. How? If you stand under a doorway and the doorjamb falls forward or
backward you will be crushed by the ceiling above. If the door jam falls
sideways you will be cut in half by the doorway. In either case, you will be
killed!

7) Never go to the stairs. The stairs have a different 'moment of frequency
(they swing separately from the main part of the building). The stairs and
remainder of the building continuously bump into each other until structural
failure of the stairs takes place. The people who get on stairs before they
fail are chopped up by the stair treads ? horribly mutilated. Even if the
building doesn't collapse, stay away from the stairs. The stairs are a
likely part of the building to be damaged. Even if the stairs are not
collapsed by the earthquake, they may collapse later when overloaded by
fleeing people. They should always be checked for safety, even when the rest
of the building is not damaged.

8) Get Near the Outer Walls Of Buildings Or Outside Of Them If Possible - It
is much better to be near the outside of the building rather than the
interior. The farther inside you are from the outside perimeter of the
building the greater the probability that your escape route will be blocked.

9) People inside of their vehicles are crushed when the road above falls in
an earthquake and crushes their vehicles; which is exactly what happened
with the slabs between the decks of the Nimitz Freeway. The victims of the
San Francisco earthquake all stayed inside of their vehicles. They were all
killed. They could have easily survived by getting out and lying in the
fetal position next to their vehicles. Everyone killed would have survived
if they had been able to get out of their cars and sit or lie next to them.
All the crushed cars had voids 3 feet high next to them, except for the cars
that had columns fall directly across them.

10) I discovered, while crawling inside of collapsed newspaper offices and
other offices with a lot of paper, that paper does not compact. Large voids
are found surrounding stacks of paper.

In 1996 we made a film, which proved my survival methodology to be correct.
The Turkish Federal Government, City of Istanbul , University of Istanbul
Case Productions and ARTI cooperated to film this practical, scientific
test. We collapsed a school and a home with 20 mannequins inside. Ten
mannequins did 'duck and cover,' and ten mannequins I used in my 'triangle
of life' survival method. After the simulated earthquake collapse we crawled
through the rubble and entered the building to film and document the
results.

The film, in which I practiced my survival techniques under directly
observable, scientific conditions, relevant to building collapse, showed
there would have been zero percent survival for those doing duck and cover.

There would likely have been 100 percent survivability for people using my
method of the 'triangle of life.' This film has been seen by millions of
viewers on television in Turkey and the rest of Europe , and it was seen in
the USA , Canada and Latin America on the TV program Real TV.

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Re: WHEN IT HAPPENS IN CHILE...

Postby admin » Wed Jan 27, 2010 9:55 pm

nice article. I had alway been told that the doorway was where you go because it is stronger. It never occurred to me what happens when it fails, given angular momentum and all.

Yea, those concrete coffins in the Central Regions scare the hell out of me.

Chile did have the big one hit in the 80's, which eliminated a lot of the questionable buildings. My concern would be over the new buildings that have been popping up all over Santiago and the coast the last 5 years like weeds that have not been vetted by being hit by a big one. How many cut corners to meet their deadlines or cost?

The old buildings that have been around in the center of Santiago for 80 years are likly the best ones. They have been nailed by a dozen big earthquakes over the year, and keep on standing.

The south those big buildings are fairly rare still. There are more and more apartment buildings popping up, but land is still relatively cheap and plentiful so they still don't make a lot of economic sense.
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Re: WHEN IT HAPPENS IN CHILE...

Postby Atlantis » Wed Jan 27, 2010 10:32 pm

Thanks for the article.

I have been through 3 major earthquakes in Chile: Santiago 1965 - was very little and cannot remember much - Santiago 1971 - remember standing under the front doorway; and in 1985 in Vina del Mar. That one was the most terrifying one and it was an 8.2 on the Richter scale (7.5 in SCL), living in a very old turn of the century style home. I was on the second floor and knew very well not to run down the stairs when there's an earthquake, but when I did, I noticed the wall next to the stairs had lost most of the stucko and it was possible to see the wooden frames and the adobe or "mud" bricks. Still, in such an old house there was not major damage comparing to some relatively new huge buildings by the beach, which had to be evacuated and went under extensive repairs. One new building in Renaca beach had to be demolished.

I will remember the triangle of life now that I go back to the south of Chile to visit in September and never take refuge under a doorway again.

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Re: WHEN IT HAPPENS IN CHILE...

Postby eeuunikkeiexpat » Thu Jan 28, 2010 12:38 am

Sat phones, ham radios with quickly deployable portable antennas, battery and renewable power systems for them. Hmmm, well the com problem is out of reach for this poor expat.

I'm not a fan of dealing with embassy officials. Of course I've never bothered to register with them in my years as an extremely "busy" :wink: self-sponsored expat.

Guess my rotting corpse might never be recognized but it's not like I'm not unknown being the only extranjero in this structure and one of the few seen weekly in town.
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Re: WHEN IT HAPPENS IN CHILE...

Postby helitool » Thu Jan 28, 2010 1:34 am

No one to my knowledge has ever been killed by an earthquake. It is the buildings that fall on you or the high tension wires laying in the water puddle etc. that get you. So if you are really worried about quakes then make sure that the house you are living in is quake proof. I am looking at straw bale construction as it has one of the best earthquake ratings and one of the lightest weight to strength ratios. Of course all bets are off if you are in an unsafe public building shopping when the biggie hits.

My advise to anyone who sees American helicopters coming to rescue you is to hide and wait for them to leave. 8)
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Re: WHEN IT HAPPENS IN CHILE...

Postby helitool » Thu Jan 28, 2010 2:04 am

Sorry, I'm an old farm boy and would be living in a fairly self sufficient situation in the south. That would not be a bad situation in a quake (serious volcanic eruption on the other hand not so good). Pyroclastic flows are very difficult to defend against other than distance between you and it. As for coup de etaté Probably more likely to have one in the US than Chile. :) I'm 61 now and never expected to make it past 45 so if I can stumble through to 70 I'll die happy whatever the venue. Besides dying would probably improve my life style.
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Re: WHEN IT HAPPENS IN CHILE...

Postby helitool » Thu Jan 28, 2010 2:10 am

Here you go the official prepper website read all about it! It is actually quite good.



http://americanpreppersnetwork.iboards.us/
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Re: WHEN IT HAPPENS IN CHILE...

Postby admin » Thu Jan 28, 2010 9:58 am

So, let's say you get past the initial quake, and we find ourselves in a Hati situation (everything down). First, Chile is a magnitude 8.0 better prepared for natural disasters than Hati in both terms of resources, experience, and small population. Chile has been there before, and has dealt with with the biggest disasters on record. That said, a natural disaster is a natural disaster.

Nothing against the U.S. embassy staff and all, but in my experience waiting for the embassy to get their act together in an emergency could cost you your life. They simply may not show up for days, weeks, or ever, for whatever political reason. There is no guarantee in the constitution that says the U.S. state department has to do anything in a foreign country for U.S. citizens say within an hour or 24 hours of an emergency, or at all. Hell, for those in New Orleans it turns out there is not even an constitutional guarantee to for the U.S. government to help, even if you live in the U.S. territory. Some are still waiting for help there. I suspect most other countries consulates are also in similar situations.

God helps those that help themselves. Being self-reliant, even if it is just a for a few days can make all the difference. Having the basics of food, water, flash lights, first aid kits, and so on. Better yet having the resources to support yourself for 6 months to a year. The Mormons direct their members to have at least a year of food and water on hand, because that is how long it will take them to get their manufacturing infrastructure up and running to provide for all their members. It is not a bad policy, regardless of what you think of the Mormons.

First thing that comes to mind, is getting out of the effected area. Standing around a city of 5 million people waiting for food and water is not exactly a smart thing to do, if you do not need to be there. Humans are not meant to live in mega cities. Even just 25 years ago, most did not. Disasters always have effected them the worse. Yea, aid might reach them first, but it will all do the least. Chile in particular has diverse natural resources nearly everywhere. It is a major food exporter, and a good 50% of the regions of the country or more produce sufficient food to support the entire population for some time.

The nice thing that Chile has going for it is size. The chances of a disaster reaching the entire country at one time are fairly small. It might however reach the entire country in respect to say the Central region being devastated, and key national infrastructure effecting the rest of the country; but, hitting everywhere at once would take something really extraordinary.
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Re: WHEN IT HAPPENS IN CHILE...

Postby helitool » Thu Jan 28, 2010 10:48 am

Being part of a close knit small community where people are used to helping their neighbors is the best way to survive any disaster natural or otherwise. Since Chile is mostly small towns it is probably one of the best places to go through such an experience.
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Re: WHEN IT HAPPENS IN CHILE...

Postby Snowman628 » Thu Jan 28, 2010 1:07 pm

Like evrything else, it depends on who you believe. I found a response to Mr Copp's article which states he is incorrect. This was found on Urbanlegends website.
I would tend to believe Copp but I hope I never have to test his theories.

Comments: The American Red Cross took the unusual step of contacting me directly to refute the above text, which a representative of the group politely characterized as "incorrect."

According to Red Cross community disaster education manager Rocky Lopes, author Doug Copp's earthquake survival suggestions don't apply in the United States because they're based on observations made in Turkey, where engineering and construction standards are different. "Much research in the United States has confirmed that 'Drop, Cover, and Hold On!' has saved lives in the United States," writes Lopes. "Engineering researchers have demonstrated that very few buildings collapse or 'pancake' in the U.S. as they might do in other countries."

Other experts concur, even to the point of suggesting that some of Copp's advice could endanger people's lives rather than save them. "Some of the things he recommends are absolutely dangerous, like getting out of your car and lying down next to the car," UCLA public health expert Kimberley Shoaf told Knight Ridder Newspapers in November 2004. A former deputy director of the California Office of Emergency Services, Mark Ghilarducci, agreed that "duck, cover and hold on" remains the best overall strategy for survival during an earthquake.

I should also point out that although Mr. Copp has proclaimed himself a disaster expert, his credentials are in question.
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Re: WHEN IT HAPPENS IN CHILE...

Postby helitool » Thu Jan 28, 2010 1:40 pm

Good points.

Obviously both opinions could be true depending upon the earthquake resistance of the building you are in.
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Re: WHEN IT HAPPENS IN CHILE...

Postby Vicki and Greg Lansen » Thu Jan 28, 2010 6:09 pm

el puelche wrote:
What are we going to do?

Imagine the relatives in Nebraska or Amsterdam that want to know what is going on? The Haiti routine is just no acceptable and we have to have a plan, so what is it? It doesn't have to be complicated but we need to have it in place, because its coming.

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I have used 1-800 ALLCHILE.NET in a few emergencies, one being the erruption of the Chaiten Volcano, the other, a medical emergency...all exacerbated by the remoteness of where I live. Once, in other discussions, the notorious "first five" members and other prolific forum users posted excellent ideas about being prepared (whether it is for 2012, the rapture, or sunami/earthquake emergencies) and it was well thought-out advice.

I have a bag packed with documents, meds, flashlight, etc...but after that, I rely on the GPS chip that Charles installed in us when we hit Chile a few years back. I didn't know he did it, but that's the only explaination for our bus being stopped on the trip towards a hospital stay in the middle of the night and the ALLCHILE patrol whisking us off to the emergency room.

So, my emergency contingency plan is having the grab bag and knowing Spencer. It worked.
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