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admin wrote: That contract should cover about the 14 months at least over the period you are applying for good measure.

I've been following this thread from afar, but I am a bit confused. I've got a few questons;

How does one go from Periodic income visa, to work permit and then to permanent residency?
How long will it take for the work visa to be granted once one applies for the periodic visa?
And when does the 14 moths start and when does it end?
Finally, when is one legally considered "residente" is it as soon as one applies for the periodic visa, or ,maybe not until the permanent visa arrives?

Riff Raff, here's what I understand.

The Retirement & Periodic income visa is not automatically a work visa, but you can pay extra and get a work visa as the same time. For example, I just filed my paperwork for the periodic income visa last week, and I now have a piece of paper that says I can legally work here, because I paid extra.
Legally, I am now "en tramite" which means I can legally stay in the country until my visa is processed (which hopefully it will be with no issues). I can leave the country and come back in with my "en tramite" documents - they took my 90 day tourist visa card off me when I completed the paperwork.
I think that I am legally considered resident once I actually get the visa, and that is when I can apply for a RUT and Carnet.
I guess that the 14 months would be from the time you actually apply... but remember that all the legalisation and translation before actually applying can take months. I did a rather open ended contract, which hopefully will work.

Yea, that is a fairly straight forward account of the application process. Just be aware everyone's circumstances will be different slightly, and every office of immigration will definitely be different. For example, each office in the country asks for a different size photo and format. You would think if there was one thing they would standardize in the residency process in every office in the country, it would be the size of the photo. No such luck.

Also, be aware that the procedures of how to legalize and what needs to be legalized is changing radically and often since the new government. Half the people working the government, in charge of legalization, don't even know how to legalize something. So, be very very careful with what any helpful bureaucrat or secretary might tell you along the way in regards to the proper way to legalize any particular document. There are a lot of new people floating around the offices these days.

rachelmarama wrote:The next steps of the legalization process HAVE to be done in person (by any person, just not by mail). I went to Santiago for this, and went to the Ministerio de Relaciones Exteriores de Chile, address Augustinas 1320.

El Departamento de Legalizaciones del Ministerio de Relaciones Exteriores está ubicado en calle Agustinas 1320, piso 1, Santiago.

* Horario de atención: lunes a viernes, de 09:00 a 14:00 hrs.

* Tipo de Servicio: Gratuito e inmediato. Si se presenta una gran cantidad de documentos, su entrega se hace al día hábil siguiente.

* Para usuarios de regiones: "en caso de residir en regiones, usted puede solicitar el servicio de legalización de documentos en Santiago a través de las Gobernaciones Provinciales o directamente por correo al Departamento de Legalizaciones del Ministerio de Relaciones Exteriores, calle Agustinas 1320, piso 1, Santiago, el cual le devolverá el documento legalizado por la misma vía".

Teléfono: (56-2) 827 4614 - 827 4615.

Source: http://www.minrel.gov.cl

Note:

1. Not only they send docs by mail, they can send them by many types of different postal service providers, incl. Chilexpress, and Correos de Chile.

2. This is to confirm, that they respond to emails promptly, the very same day (if you ask questions via their website contact form, in the morning).

3. This is also to confirm, that they can send docs by Chilexpress for free.

If anything is wrong -- please post corrections.

_______________________________________________________________________

Now with respect to translation: not needed for English, French, Portuguese and Italian:

"Cualquier documentación en idioma distinto del castellano, requiere ser debidamente traducida, a excepción de inglés, francés, portugués, italiano."

Source: http://www.extranjeria.gov.cl/

See "requisitos" for any type of visa.

Example: http://www.extranjeria.gov.cl/filesapp/ ... ntista.pdf

Any document in a language other than Spanish requires due translation, with the exception of English, French, Portuguese and Italian.

Source: http://www.extranjeria.gov.cl/

See "requisitos" in English for any type of visa. Example:

http://www.extranjeria.gov.cl/ingles/fi ... ingles.pdf

Thanks for all that info Rune. Have you managed to get them to post documents? I admit I didn't email them. I called, twice, and spoke to two different people who said there was no way they could post, it HAD to be done in person.

For the translation, I checked here in Antofagasta that the documents had to be translated; after reading this (below, from the te-6 Temporaria para jubilados y rentistas) & assuming they were talking about the documents for vinculos only (i can imagine not translating a birth certificate or marriage certificate is not that hard to work out), but wanting to be sure:

La documentación para acreditar vínculos entre un titular y sus dependientes,
deberá estar legalizada por el Consulado de Chile del país de origen y por el
Ministerio de Relaciones Exteriores de Chile. En el caso en que la documentación
entregue información en cualquier idioma distinto del castellano, deberá estar
legalizada por el Consulado de Chile del país de origen y traducida y legalizada
por el Ministerio de Relaciones Exteriores de Chile. Si el documento se encuentra
escrito en inglés, francés, italiano o portugués, no es necesaria la traducción.

Anyway, I was told yes, I had to get it translated, so I did. I'd be interested to know feedback from admin and any others who have done this. Have others not translated English contracts of work?

This will be helpful for next year's round, and if they ask for any additional information.

I see that shiny new versions of PDF files are now posted on: http://www.extranjeria.gov.cl/

Let us now compare the new wording on these forms:

1. PERMANENCIA DEFINITIVA PARA RESIDENTES CON VISACION TEMPORARIA INVERSIONISTA - HONORARIO - RENTISTA

http://www.extranjeria.gov.cl/filesapp/PD7%20ISO.pdf

BTW: Look -- now it is PD7. Formerly -- it was PD9.

IMPORTANTE:
...

* Cualquier documentación en idioma distinto del castellano, requiere ser debidamente traducida, a excepción de inglés, francés, portugués, italiano.

Here - a separate clause, see?

Now, TEMPORARIA PARA JUBILADOS Y RENTISTAS

http://www.extranjeria.gov.cl/filesapp/ ... %20ISO.pdf

IMPORTANTE
...

La documentación para acreditar vínculos entre un titular y sus dependientes, deberá estar legalizada por el Consulado de Chile del país de origen y por el Ministerio de Relaciones Exteriores de Chile. En el caso en que la documentación entregue información en cualquier idioma distinto del castellano, deberá estar legalizada por el Consulado de Chile del país de origen y traducida y legalizada por el Ministerio de Relaciones Exteriores de Chile. Si el documento se encuentra escrito en inglés, francés, italiano o portugués, no es necesaria la traducción.

Indeed, it seems that the statements on the forms are not the same (and in the last case -- one may be a bit confused).

With respect to mailing docs, here is my friendly advice. Go to the website (and you know, you can even choose their English version), and go right to the "contact us" form, then go ahead and ask, "Hey, you, all the good people, will you send my docs by mail to me, or will you not?.. As it is clearly said on your site, you see?.. Now respond to me kindly, and respond truly, and do so just right away!.. Salud!.." After that, if you don't get a reply from them within one working day -- I'd be surprised.

RuneTheChookcha wrote:I see that shiny new versions of PDF files are now posted on: http://www.extranjeria.gov.cl/

How come they aren't shiny on my screen?

Thanks Rune for the heads up. Will be scrutinizing them myself for any "changes."

A update, in case this is helpful for anyone applying in Antofagasta:

I put in my original application for a Jubilados y Rentistas Visa in August, and was told to come back in October and see where it was at. When I put my application in, I also paid to get a form that would allow me to work while I was waiting for the Visa to be processed. The documents had a validity of 4 months.
I unexpectedly had to go to New Zealand for most of October, so I didn't go back in October as I was told. I had no issues leaving in Santiago with no tourist card - I simply showed my "en tramite" papers (I think I had a photocopy to give them, but I can't remember).

Immigration (at least in Antofagasta) doesn't take any payment in person. They create a pro-forma invoice (can't remember what this is called in Spanish), and make you go to a bank and pay. Then I had to get the payment slip photocopies to take back to show payment. This adds at least an hour to the tramite time, i've found.

In November I checked online to see the status of my visa, and it still said "en tramite". I was caught out here - for some reason I expected that I might get something in the mail, or that the online status would change to let me know the visa was ready to pick up, or if they needed more information. I ended up in hospital for emergency surgery, so queuing at immigration was not my highest priority in Nov.

Early December it became a priority because my documents were due to expire on the 16th Dec. After a few false starts due to the Paro, I sussed out the system.

In Antofagasta Immigration, they give out "numeros" on Tuesdays and Fridays at 8.30am. Tuesday's numbers are for "tramites", or placing the Visa applications etc. The numbers are for Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday, and there are 70 per day. Friday's numbers are for Friday and Monday (70 per day) and are for Payments only. On either day, you can queue up for status info - you pass your paper in, and return at midday for an answer on where the visa is at. I did this, and found out it was waiting, and I just had to pay the fee ($222.000 for a NZ citizen). So, back the following Friday at 8am to queue for a number, get my slip, go to the bank, pay, take the payment proof back, wait for my passport. 4 hours, and I now have a one year Visa.

Next step is to register with PDI and then get a carnet, and I've 30 days to do this. PDI give out 40 numeros a day, at 8.30am. I talked to a couple of people in the queue this morning who said you needed to be there at 4am to be sure of getting a number. Uggh. The carnet is simpler, less that 5.000 plus fill in a form, bring photocopies of visa and passport details page, and be the in the queue to get a number at maybe 8am.

I registered at PDI today.
Yep, got up at 3.30am and was number 7 in the queue at 4.10am. They gave out the numbers at 8.30am and I was seen at about 9.30am. It didn't look like there were more than 40 people there, but I suspect that those at the end of the line will be there all day.
It took about 20 mins for me; the official filled in some details on the computer & took a photo. You need a photocopy of your passport and visa, and pay a fee of $800 pesos.
Next step: carnet.

Nope, Antofagasta.
Talking to some people there, it's like that all year. If you want to be in the first 10, you have to be there around 4am.