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by **admin** on Thu Sep 24, 2009 4:04 pm

zelaya is a nut case. He claimed in an interview with a Miami news paper this morning that his throat was still burning from gas that Israeli agents where using to interrogate him inside the Brazilian embassy. He had some other off the wall claims that sound so far out, they are either true or someone needs a padded cell.

by **cali_chile48** on Mon Sep 28, 2009 10:08 am

a classic ploy....create enough civil unrest to force the government to crack down and then wait for popular sentiments to boil over. zelaya couldn't accomplish that from outside honduras, so he went inside. now the honduran government (the un-elected one) has imposed 45 days of martial law. i think zelaya has miscalculated. i don't think he has enough popular support to generate the social chaos he needs to return to power....but he probably has enough to cost a few more people their lives.

by **chile-expat** on Mon Sep 28, 2009 4:09 pm

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/29/world/americas/29honduras.html?_r=1&hp

This is getting real ugly

by **cali_chile48** on Tue Sep 29, 2009 10:39 am

yesterday michiletti issued a decree which

bans public gatherings, restricts the press and makes it easier for the army to arrest people.

some of michileeti's supporters are now having second thoughts. they are thinking that perhaps

Micheletti went too far in suspending constitutional guarantees, especially since he has invoked the constitution to justify removing Zelaya.

quotes from: http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld ... 8126.story

interesting, eh? in july, michiletti was all about enforcing the constitution as written, no exceptions...and now???? it's an annoying piece of paper....

by **cali_chile48** on Sat Oct 03, 2009 2:31 pm

HA! Michiletti is now saying he made a mistake by expelling Zelaya. Duh. It only took him 3 months to figure that one out. Too bad he didn't think things through BEFORE he orchestrated the midnight raid to expel the elected president in his pajamas.

From today's El Mercurio....NOT a left wing newspaper in Santiago:

Sábado 3 de Octubre de 2009 11:06

Micheletti reconoce como un "error" expulsión de Manuel Zelaya de Honduras
El Presidente de facto, además culpó a Venezuela y a Brasil por "financiar" al depuesto Mandatario y "convocar a la insurreción y violencia desde la embajada".

SAN PABLO.- El Presidente de facto de Honduras, Roberto Micheletti, reconoció que fue un "error" haber expulsado del país al mandatario constitucional Manuel Zelaya el 28 de junio pasado y responsabilizó por la crisis a Venezuela y Brasil.

Además, Micheletti reiteró que Zelaya abandonó a su Partido Liberal y comenzó a "reunirse con comunistas de café".

Micheletti, en diálogo con la revista brasileña opositora Veja, adjudicó que cerró medios de comunicación y declaró el estado de sitio a la decisión de Brasil de alojar en su embajada en Tegucigalpa a Zelaya.

"Brasil, por medio de su presidente (Luiz Lula da Silva), permitió que Zelaya convocara a la insurrección y a la violencia desde el balcón de la embajada. El señor Lula no tuvo la cortesía de llamarlo y de pedirle que parara con eso porque perjudicaría a toda la población", dijo Michelleti.

"Tomé esas decisiones para evitar derramamiento de sangre", dijo. El gobernante de facto rechazó el término golpista dado que hace 30 años que es parlamentario y que su posición actual responde a una decisión de la Corte Suprema de Justicia, pero dijo que "fue un error" expulsar a Zelaya.

Los militares encargados de esa tarea deberían haberlo llevado a los tribunales, pero lo sacaron del país para evitar una guerra civil", dijo.Zelaya, para Micheletti, "es un muñeco del presidente (venezolano) Hugo Chávez, que le hizo acreditar se convertiría en un lider grandilocuente".

"Chávez financia a Zelaya con el dinero de los venezolanos", dijo Micheletti, cuyo gobierno no fue reconocido por ningún país ni por la ONU.

by **scrjnki** on Sat Nov 07, 2009 5:48 pm

cali_chile48 wrote:HA! Michiletti is now saying he made a mistake by expelling Zelaya. Duh. It only took him 3 months to figure that one out. Too bad he didn't think things through BEFORE he orchestrated the midnight raid to expel the elected president in his pajamas.

From today's El Mercurio....NOT a left wing newspaper in Santiago:

Sábado 3 de Octubre de 2009 11:06

Micheletti reconoce como un "error" expulsión de Manuel Zelaya de Honduras
El Presidente de facto, además culpó a Venezuela y a Brasil por "financiar" al depuesto Mandatario y "convocar a la insurreción y violencia desde la embajada".

SAN PABLO.- El Presidente de facto de Honduras, Roberto Micheletti, reconoció que fue un "error" haber expulsado del país al mandatario constitucional Manuel Zelaya el 28 de junio pasado y responsabilizó por la crisis a Venezuela y Brasil.

Además, Micheletti reiteró que Zelaya abandonó a su Partido Liberal y comenzó a "reunirse con comunistas de café".

Micheletti, en diálogo con la revista brasileña opositora Veja, adjudicó que cerró medios de comunicación y declaró el estado de sitio a la decisión de Brasil de alojar en su embajada en Tegucigalpa a Zelaya.

"Brasil, por medio de su presidente (Luiz Lula da Silva), permitió que Zelaya convocara a la insurrección y a la violencia desde el balcón de la embajada. El señor Lula no tuvo la cortesía de llamarlo y de pedirle que parara con eso porque perjudicaría a toda la población", dijo Michelleti.

"Tomé esas decisiones para evitar derramamiento de sangre", dijo. El gobernante de facto rechazó el término golpista dado que hace 30 años que es parlamentario y que su posición actual responde a una decisión de la Corte Suprema de Justicia, pero dijo que "fue un error" expulsar a Zelaya.

Los militares encargados de esa tarea deberían haberlo llevado a los tribunales, pero lo sacaron del país para evitar una guerra civil", dijo.Zelaya, para Micheletti, "es un muñeco del presidente (venezolano) Hugo Chávez, que le hizo acreditar se convertiría en un lider grandilocuente".

"Chávez financia a Zelaya con el dinero de los venezolanos", dijo Micheletti, cuyo gobierno no fue reconocido por ningún país ni por la ONU.

Yes, from the very beginning of this whole episode back in June, it was acknowledged early on that the one act that was "likely illegal" was the deportation. Not the constitutionally correct act of recognizing that Zelaya had ceased being president when his intentions were made clear. As such, the correct legal solution would be to restore Manuel Zelaya's Honduran citizenship and residency. His presidency is still a thing of the past, and rightfully so, thanks to the lawful, correct action to remove him from the executive post he had forfeited by his actions.

The November 29 election is just around the corner, and neither Zelaya nor Micheletti are eligible to run for president. Zelaya's patrons in the UN, OAS and the White House, if they wanted to really support the rule of law, would lobby for a solution wherein Zelaya would be allowed to stand in the crowd along the streets of Tegucigalpa and cheer for whomever is elected president in a couple of weeks, just like any other private citizen. Then he can retire to the ranch, like a good ex-president.

by **cali_chile48** on Sun Nov 15, 2009 12:12 pm

the wacky story continues....a couple of weeks ago there was an "agreement" in place to supposedly allow zelaya to return to his office as president (with very limited powers) until the elections. michiletti et al reconstructed the cabinet before zelaya re-took office, so zelaya now refuses to participate in the newly "re-constructed" government, the one that was constructed without his participation. he has recently been quoted as saying that the US left him "in the middle of the river". zelaya is still holed in at the brazilian embassy, presumably until the new elections in two weeks. at this point, the focus should be on a fair election and a peaceful transition to power....zelaya and michiletti are both lame ducks.

by **scrjnki** on Sun Nov 15, 2009 12:30 pm

Zelaya must be disheartened to learn that the world isn't going to spend a whole lot of energy getting him reinstalled as president for a month or less. He's now yesterday's news, and news consumers have a notoriously short attention span, unfortunately. Hugo Chavez must be bummed as well, but is presently too busy whipping up the latest straw man for his suffering "children" to focus on, so they don't focus on his own administrative shortcomings.

My wife is Venezuelan, and when we were in Chile and Argentina last Feb/Mar, the locals would note her accent and always ask what she thought of Chavez. I could never seem to successfully flash them the "Don't get her started" look quite fast enough. :roll:

Pat Mc

by **cali_chile48** on Mon Nov 16, 2009 8:01 am

i haven't met a chilean yet who has a high opinion of hugo chavez....nor alan garcia. evo morales ranks a little higher unless he starts talking about bolivia's right to the land they lost to the chileans 130 years ago. understandably, chileans don't like what the honduran army did earlier this year....too many parallels to their own experience in 1973.

it seems to me that both michiletti and zelaya overplayed their hands. they are both walking away from the situation with much-lowered public esteem and, as usual, the poorest people pay the heaviest price. the honduran people would have been much better off if zelaya hadn't pushed his agenda so hard, and if the honduran courts and military had found a solution that didn't smack of latin american politics as usual. the part that puzzles me is why all of this happened with just a few months left in zelaya's term....i mean...if you're gonna throw the president out in his pajamas, isn't it better to do it early in his term?

by **scrjnki** on Mon Nov 16, 2009 10:45 pm

cali_chile48 wrote:i haven't met a chilean yet who has a high opinion of hugo chavez....nor alan garcia. evo morales ranks a little higher unless he starts talking about bolivia's right to the land they lost to the chileans 130 years ago. understandably, chileans don't like what the honduran army did earlier this year....too many parallels to their own experience in 1973.

it seems to me that both michiletti and zelaya overplayed their hands. they are both walking away from the situation with much-lowered public esteem and, as usual, the poorest people pay the heaviest price. the honduran people would have been much better off if zelaya hadn't pushed his agenda so hard, and if the honduran courts and military had found a solution that didn't smack of latin american politics as usual. the part that puzzles me is why all of this happened with just a few months left in zelaya's term....i mean...if you're gonna throw the president out in his pajamas, isn't it better to do it early in his term?

I guess earlier in his term he had not yet played (overplayed) his hand. He seemed to be taking a page from old Hugo's playbook, but even Chavez was rebuffed last year in his first try at eliminating term limits. The dead giveaway was that the "advisory referendum vote" about whether to convene a constitutional review was to only be among the government employees!! Duh!! Classic patronage game. Kind of like if G.W. Bush decided to take a vote as to whether to amend the constitution so he could have a few more terms, disband congress and declare himself president for life, and then only give ballots to the religious right and the military.

You raise a great question about the lateness of his term, but I would wonder rather why Zelaya waited until he had only five or six months in his term to try this stunt. He must have somehow felt that he had laid enough groundwork throughout his legal term and his "people" would act with urgency to anoint him if time were short. Who knows?

Or, after reading Charles' observations, maybe he was afraid of Israeli agents with gas canisters.

I will say that arresting him in his jammies was a bit undignified.

Do people still wear pajamas? Charles, can we get a poll going?

Kidding...

Pat Mc

by **el puelche** on Sat Jan 30, 2010 3:28 pm

Check it out...

http://bigjournalism.com/mklugmann/2010 ... omic-book/

p

by **GJJIM** on Sat Jan 30, 2010 4:46 pm

The interpretations of the events in Honduras fall predictably along ideological lines. Editors of The Nation saw a completely different story than the crowd at National Review, no surprises there. What did surprise me was the knee jerk reaction of Obama, and it told me a lot about who the man really is. Yesterday he lectured Republican members of congress accusing them of "demonizing" his health care initiative as though it were a "Bolshevik plot". LOL - I wonder where they got that idea?

by **stang33** on Sat Jan 30, 2010 8:07 pm

Another good reason "for el puelche" being nominated as "key contributor" to this forum. I wonder if many forum members REALLY understand his contribution to Chile Net (other than Admin and possibly eeuu.

;)

For the record, this retired American gringo residing in Arakansas, USA, is planning on moving to Chile in the next several months, thanks in part to to indivs mentioned above and Tom B. in Arica, for their perspective on the REAL Chile !!!!!

Stang

by **stang33** on Sat Jan 30, 2010 8:10 pm

Sorry for the mis-spell of ARKANSAS !!!!! We are in the midst of a ice/snow storm here and my fingers are numb. Another good reason to move to Chile.

by **el puelche** on Sat Jan 30, 2010 9:28 pm

That is very kind of you Stang, but don't get it in your head that I am going to pick you up at the airport!!!!

p

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