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Hmmmm. Watching this thread carefully. As some may recall my hubby and I live in Chile, but headed to US for a visit on May 4. Interestingly enough on the way to the airport I began to feel ill. Sore throat at 1st. By the time we boarded the plane that evening I had chills and was achey. Did not tell hubby initially though. When we finally arrived in Maine (with two layovers, one in Atlanta the other in Boston) I felt like death warmed over. Went straight to bed and did not get up for 3 days, (cont. to feel weak and fever at night for many days more). Fever, chills, cough (bad cough) and felt like I had been run over by a truck. Now I am 19 days out and it was only a few days ago I finally stopped coughing. Hmmmm. Wonder what it was? I guess without testing I/we will never know. Hubby says it was NOT the H1N1 and he is a doc...but I am not so sure. If it was...where in the heck did I get it? Only possible...36 hrs. b/4 we flew out our sons girlfriend arrived to visit from L.A. She flew COPA airlines via Panama City. That's the only thing I can think of as a possible for exposure. She was not ill and had not been ill recently BTW.
We will be returning early July to Chile. Do all of you think things will have settled down by then. I do know that I felt absolutely fine when I got up the AM we left. It was very sudden onset and I became very ill in less than 24 hrs. That seems to fit the profile of this junk. Curious I am.

Not sure everyone caught this one, but a bus from Chile was attacked after crossing the boarder because of fear that someone on board had H1N1.

http://english.ntdtv.com/ntdtv_en/ns_sa ... 11157.html

The Argentinians are deluded as always about the lies their government tells them. Can they really somehow believe their government when they say they have less cases than Chile? They have a population more than twice that of Chile, and are a serious international transit point for multiple countries including a capital with a major airline hub.

Perhaps they are right. Their government is not lying to them, they are simply not testing. Argentina's government has never been known for transparency. I am certain this is not on the politicians high priority list, considering the economic disaster they are facing.

Wow Charles, that's crazy!!!! It puts me in mind though of the young backpacker who presented at a hospital in the Esquel/Bariloche area with Hanta Virus, and died. Chile and Argentina sent angry accusations back and forth about whether he got it in Chile, or Argentina. Chile is very vigilent (I think) in reporting Hanta Virus, while claiming Argentina does not.

As it is was recently stated by Reuters,

"An international team of researchers who analyzed all eight genes of the new virus, said it was so different from its ancestral strains ..."

Also, "They confirmed it is a hybrid of two other mixtures -- one a so-called triple reassortant of pig, bird and human viruses, and another group of swine viruses from Europe and Asia ..."

{ source: http://www.reuters.com/article/asiaCrisis/idUSN22387871 }

Is it just "differentness" and "strangeness", and nothing but that? Or is there something else, that causes such an aggressive behavior, that people are panicked into attacking buses?

If I remember it correctly, the SAG declaration contained a question asking "if you had any contact with experimental animals". I am not sure how many years ago the question was added, but what kind of experiments with experimental animals was the reason for asking such questions? I would not be surprised to hear, sooner or later, more facts with regards to the new virus, that would be not just their "differentness" or "strangeness", but rather horrifying things. You never know..

- Oink, oink, no?..
- Oink, oink, po!..

This article from the Canadian Free Press presents some interesting thoughts on what H1N1 is and where is came from. From the article (link below):

H1N1 Government Manufactured?

By Douglas V. Gibbs Tuesday, May 5, 2009

There has been a lot of speculation, of late, that has come to my attention regarding the possibility that the H1N1 Virus, also known as the Swine Flu, is not a product of nature. After all, the virus is made up of components from the human flu virus, avian flu virus, and swine flu virus - a combination not possible, according to some scientists, in the natural world. There are no cases of swine being infected with this particular virus, either. The origin, in essence, is a complete mystery.

According to Time Magazine, this is not the first outbreak of the swine flu. In 1976 there was an outbreak of a swine flu similar to the current swine flu strain at Fort Dix in New Jersey. A nineteen year old service member died, and hundreds of other soldiers were stricken ill by this virus, as well. Fearing a nationwide epidemic, President Ford ordered vaccinations, but the vaccine had a side effect. People vaccinated began developing Guillain-Barré syndrome, a paralyzing nerve disease. Once the reports surfaced regarding this devastating side effect, federal officials abruptly canceled the vaccination program in December of that year. The nationwide epidemic they feared never materialized, however, and the swine flu was forgotten shortly after.

http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/10858

Sir and Maam, would you like some psyops with your big pharma/gov vaccine

Don't underestimate the current level of Worldwide Idiocy. You have a portable BS-meter, eeuu, don't you? Then turn it on and tell us what it shows. Should the Masters of the Universe order global vaccinations, where would you hide?..

Vicki and Greg Lansen wrote:According to Time Magazine, this is not the first outbreak of the swine flu. In 1976 there was an outbreak of a swine flu similar to the current swine flu strain at Fort Dix in New Jersey. A nineteen year old service member died, and hundreds of other soldiers were stricken ill by this virus, as well. Fearing a nationwide epidemic, President Ford ordered vaccinations, but the vaccine had a side effect. People vaccinated began developing Guillain-Barré syndrome, a paralyzing nerve disease. Once the reports surfaced regarding this devastating side effect, federal officials abruptly canceled the vaccination program in December of that year. The nationwide epidemic they feared never materialized, however, and the swine flu was forgotten shortly after.

Wow, I remember getting the flu vaccination and the scare under Ford. I didn't remember why it was stopped.

A comment on Argentina under reporting outbreaks of diseases....a recent article (sorry, didn't bookmark it for reference-google it) about a Dengue Fever outbreak in Argentina slams officials for under reporting the number of cases so as not to "alarm" visitors. It's starting to look like a standard MO for Argentina. I was surprised that Dengue Fever was a problem at all there.

I also read a couple of opinions about "alarmist" reporting on the H1N1 outbreak, and I thought that had counties not been aggressive and it spread into a pandemic, what would we say about news organizations and health officials then?

Cachando Chile, in my opinion a very good Chile blog, features an interesting interview with a Chilean Biologist on the subject of the new swine flue and Chile. The interview is presented as follows:

A few days ago, a Chilean biologist commented on an earlier post in this series (see the original discussion here) and I asked him if he would be willing to answer some questions from a scientist’s perspective and in a way that would go beyond the official statements issued by the Ministry of Health.

Pablo Astudillo, the biologist behind Astu’s Science Blog:, agreed and here is our interview. (link)

http://cachandochile.wordpress.com/

Cachando Chile is an interesting Chile blog no matter the subject of the posts.

vicki

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I'll tell you the deal on May 29 ………… assuming "Hotel" Thorax quarantine ward has free wifi.

No symptoms yet, but only been since Sunday when my trip to LAX terminated with that sniffling coughing couple next to me.

May 31.. No free wifi there?..

OK, in my anger and bewilderment (not towards the health check or Chile Immigrations or the frontline Chile Customs people, but I digress……) I'll take the time to report as promised.

Upon arrival after coming off the jetway, you are directed to a room to fill out a health form. Every worker you see is wearing a mask. Data such as where you can be contacted in the next seven days, your seat on the plane and other questions need to be answered. You hand back the form and stand in line for the thermal imaging test. When your turn comes, you stand at a marked point about 15-20 feet away from the thermal analyzer and they take a reading. Most people were released in 10-15 seconds. Others took more time and were asked to open up their collar. You receive a tree destroying handout about the flu from el gobierno de Chile (I threw mine away) and you then proceed to normal Chile Immigrations and Customs.

Plane was only half full.