Re: Moving to Southern Chile

Postby RuneTheChookcha » Tue Mar 17, 2009 11:52 am

davidbrucehughes wrote:The trick is finding an area where the right climate, soil, water, social and economic conditions occur together.


Several months ago I asked on this board where in Chile any kind of spiritual, esoteric, or mystic communities or individuals would settle, if such communities/individuals still existed in this country. :alien:

I was directed to the Elqui Valley, and spent about 3 months there, exploring the Elqui and the Cochiguaz valleys. Not many such people are living there. Some of them are: the followers of Sai Baba, Agnihotra practitioners, Hare Krishnas in Diaguitas, UFO watchers in Cochiguaz, etc. Maybe I will post some details later.

Though the region is a wonderful place (with the clearest sky in the world :) ), just Google it, or you may check a couple of photos by clicking the globe sign next to my avatar, there are many reasons that make it not so perfect location.

Recently I discovered a very special place, that lies about 60 km to the east of Talca, in the Maule valley. The five main rivers of the area merge there, the Maule River, the Tricahue River, the Claro River, the Armerillo River, and the Puelche river. Have you ever been there? :?:
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Re: Moving to Southern Chile

Postby davidbrucehughes » Tue Mar 17, 2009 12:30 pm

What makes a place special for spiritual practices? For some folks it might be good energy or a physical sign like rivers running together. That is nice, but since the history of early Chile has been pretty much wiped out, what do we know about the significance of those places? In India, the history is known for tens of thousands of years in the past. So the events of long ago that shaped the region are, if not well known, at least knowable to a motivated researcher. I visited two of the four Vedic archives in India, one in the Himalayas near Badrināth and the other in Jagannāth Purī next to the famous temple. I saw with my own eyes the records of Jesus' visit to India, and so many other facts lost to Western history because of the knowledge filters put in place by the Roman emperors and their successors. The Romans, for example destroyed the Library of Alexandria three times just to make certain they has wiped out these ancient records and their scholars. And now the Western scriptures, although they talk about the soul and God, nowhere do they define the meaning of these words. That Esoteric Teaching is found only in the much more ancient records they destroyed.

The same thing has happened all over the world. When the Conquistadores conquered a tribe, the first thing they did was to kill all the priests and destroy all the ancient records. As a result we know next to nothing about the real history of South America; all we have is post-conquest propaganda. The fragmentary information we do possess hints at a very sophisticated civilization and spiritual technology. The Māyān calendar is one of the great works to survive, and it reached us only because it was carved into such a huge stone that the Conquistadores had to bury it. Now that it has been unearthed and decoded (of course anyone with knowledge of its deeper meaning and functions were wiped out), we can understand the deep connections between the Māyās and the Vedic culture of India, and even the I Ching.

The time cycles of the Māyān calendar correspond very closely to those of the Vedic system. For example, the end of the Māyān calendar in 2012 is an important date in the Vedic calendar as well, and the significance attributed to it in both systems is similar. We are moving from a time of materialistic development to a time when spiritual concerns will become much more important. Of course, in any large transition there is going to be a fair amount of chaos as we switch from one system of civilization to another.

Our specific mission is to act as a seed for spiritual culture in the times during and after the coming transition. So we want to find a location that will give us protection from the difficulties that will accompany the collapse of the old system, and position us to have an influential role in finding a new sustainable way of life that can provide a platform for higher development of human spiritual faculties. To our view, the greatest necessities are water and food. My Teacher used to say that no one can think of God when his stomach is empty. So rivers are good sign, but there must also be fertile soil and good weather. Grain is the staff of life, so a reliable grain-producing area with adequate water resources offers the best conditions for our community.

We don't know much about Chile except what we can research online, which is actually quite a bit. But actually we find over many years of experience that we are guided from within as necessary. "A devotee who is not dependent on the ordinary course of activities, who is pure, expert, without cares, free from all pains, and who does not strive for some result, is very dear to Me." [Bhagavad-gītā 12.16]
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Re: Moving to Southern Chile

Postby Ellen-y-Rene » Tue Mar 17, 2009 9:53 pm

Hello Bruce,

Maybe this link is something for you: http://www.geocities.com/hvanderzel. It's the site of a dutch farmer who owns a farm near Panquipulli. As I understand it, he's currently living/working outside Chile and wants to move to Peru since his wife is Peruvian. He wants to sell but isn't in a hurry, so instead maybe you can rent it for a while....check it out.

Are you going to start a school and/or a retreat there as well? That would be interesting, we lived a couple of years in Lelystad, the Netherlands, and enjoyed lots of meals in the vegetarian restaurant of the Sidha community: www.sidhadorp.nl; in dutch/english/german. There were even courses in the Vedic kitchen and being a trained cook (I did a turbo course some 3 years ago during the evening hours, next to my job as a manager/consultant) and a 80-20 vegetarian, I even have cook books on this specific style of food. It can enrich Chile and its inhabitants (including us expats) in many ways I guess.

Hope you find the place/space you need,
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Re: Moving to Southern Chile

Postby pohler » Tue Mar 17, 2009 10:15 pm

Ellen-y-Rene wrote:Hello Bruce,

Maybe this link is something for you: http://www.geocities.com/hvanderzel. It's the site of a dutch farmer who owns a farm near Panquipulli. As I understand it, he's currently living/working outside Chile and wants to move to Peru since his wife is Peruvian. He wants to sell but isn't in a hurry, so instead maybe you can rent it for a while....check it out...


I recognized that entrance sign. Here is the listing:

http://www.allsouthernchile.com/southam ... chile.html
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Re: Moving to Southern Chile

Postby davidbrucehughes » Tue Mar 17, 2009 10:46 pm

Ellen-y-Rene wrote:Are you going to start a school and/or a retreat there as well? ... There were even courses in the Vedic kitchen and being a trained cook ... It can enrich Chile and its inhabitants (including us expats) in many ways I guess. Hope you find the place/space you need.


Hi René, thanks for the good wishes. Yes, we already have an online school and offer retreats for single men. Soon we will start a farming community, but our audience is international rather than local to Chile.

Maharishi and his associates are part of a revisionist school of 'Hindu' philosophy based on Buddhism, that sees God as some kind of impersonal energy or void. That philosophy was started about 1500 years ago, which is pretty recent by standards of Vedic philosophy. Maharishi and similar groups insist that they can change the meaning of the words of the scripture to be anything they want. We have almost nothing in common with them. We are personalist monotheists, based on a standard dictionary interpretation of the Vedas. Our lineage goes back over 5000 years to Kṛṣṇa and Vyāsadeva, the author of the Vedas.

The impersonal philosophy is the basis of modern so-called 'hinduism', but the word hindu does not appear anywhere in the Vedas; it is a Persian racial slur used by the occupying forces during the invasion of Bhārata. The British changed the name of the country to 'india' before they divided it. They never could get the hang of those aspirated consonants. We don't accept the revisionist philosophy or history of the colonialists, but go back to the original Vedic literature. I spent years living in monasteries studying Sanskrit and sorting all this out. The philosophy and history taught in Western schools has nothing to do with what is in the Vedas or what really happened.
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Re: Moving to Southern Chile

Postby Anani Noa » Wed Mar 18, 2009 1:08 am

Rune,
I would be interested in hearing what you consider some of the minuses of the Valle de Elqui and some of the pluses of the Maule Valley.

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Re: Moving to Southern Chile

Postby RuneTheChookcha » Thu Mar 19, 2009 1:51 pm

Anani Noa wrote:Rune,
I would be interested in hearing what you consider some of the minuses of the Valle de Elqui and some of the pluses of the Maule Valley.

Anani


Greetings, Anani. Will do.

BTW, lets see how many forum members are about to establish spiritual communities or meditation centers in Chile. :alien:

Or just built some temples..

1, 2, 3, 4, 5?..... :) :) :) :) :)
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Re: Moving to Southern Chile

Postby RuneTheChookcha » Thu Mar 19, 2009 3:17 pm

davidbrucehughes wrote:... We have a small monastery and international online esoteric school community ...

David is talking about a monastic community with rather strict rules regarding consuming intoxicating substances and serious intentions to honor such rules. In the Elqui valley, their community would be surrounded mostly by pisco growers. By people producing such intoxicating substances in bulk. With their extensive plantations, that require lots of chemicals polluting the air and the water. And with their workers, who are not about any kind of spiritual development at all. And who may be polluting the 'energy' of the place, so to speak. :alien:

davidbrucehughes wrote:... What makes a place special for spiritual practices?...

What? :?:

Well, I know what. :) Of course, the sound of a falling leaf at the very moment when it touches the ground.. :alien: :alien: :alien:

davidbrucehughes wrote:We don't know much about Chile except what we can research online, which is actually quite a bit.

That is the University of Higher Knowledge..... :)

In our College of Absolute Truth, we don't rely on our research online. :)
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Re: Moving to Southern Chile

Postby RuneTheChookcha » Thu Mar 19, 2009 3:43 pm

davidbrucehughes wrote:... My Teacher used to say that no one can think of God when his stomach is empty. So rivers are good sign, but there must also be fertile soil and good weather ...

I'd say that no one can think of experiencing spiritual experiences properly when there is rain, and rain, and cold, and rain, and cold, and cold, and rain, and rain. Too much rain in the South. And cold. Cold, and rain. And cold, and rain..

And in the Elqui valley, there is simply not enough water. Despite all it's pluses..

The Maule valley is just right. There is some kind of wind, or I don't know what, but the weather is acceptable there. Some people tell that the wind called 'viento puelche' drives the clouds away.. :alien:

And I see a lot of cows there.. :)

And there are small streams that you can drink from, and some mountains, and some forest, and some rocks, and some bamboo.. and the number of stars in the sky is also acceptable, like in the Elqui valley {IMHO}..
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Re: Moving to Southern Chile

Postby mardy » Thu Mar 19, 2009 4:53 pm

[quote="RuneTheChookcha"]Too much rain in the South. And cold. Cold, and rain. And cold, and rain..

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Just out of couriosity. How long did you live in the south?
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Re: Moving to Southern Chile

Postby admin » Thu Mar 19, 2009 6:22 pm

and where did you live in the south?

Much of the south gets a bad rap. Yes, south of PM it does get cold for long stretches of the year, but North of PM is sunny about 5-6 months out of the year. We get only about two or three months of seriously cold steady rain, but still in light jacket weather. Another 2-4 months of daily rain showers. Kind of take your jacket with you because you might get caught in a downpour at any time type weather. Even then it is often light rain jacket weather, with a daily heavy shower often in the evening. The south, where most people live, is just not that rainy unless you are on the coast. I found vina del mar in the winter more uncomfortable than Temuco.

I am getting a bit concerned about how little rain we have had this summer. I hope we get a good winter of soaking rain.

I should disclose that I am one of those people that likes rain storms.
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Re: Moving to Southern Chile

Postby mardy » Thu Mar 19, 2009 6:35 pm

Yo Tambien!
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