Chile Forum

tombrad2 wrote:J.... most of the Israelies you can see in north and south of Chile are plain backpackers, nothing else. ..

Are you sure about that Tomas?

http://www.kawther.info/wpr/2009/01/30/israeli-war-criminals-in-patagonia

Absolutly I have meet many of them.

There are no military reason to fear from I.D.F. they have enough domestic/neighborhood problems to keep them busy for long time. There are a lot of "National Enquirer style" theories related with jews since long time, but they are one of our more valuable miltary partners and suppliers because their skills and experience combating in desert.

Thanks to "Enmienda Kennedy" our military developed a lot of resources and abilities independent from the USA, thanks Ed, you did it!

Primary personal - R&R from mandatory service.
Secondary obligation - report to Mossad on any interesting observation and finding during their R&R.

I say it would be very naive to deny some of theses youngsters also didn't have an intelligence task as primary over their R&R.

Remember the Israeli "art students" swarming USA gov facilities rounded up and ejected from the US after 9 1 1 (and amazingly reported by FOX but then smothered)?? Not to mention moving companies and dressing up as Arabs and others directly on the heels of the sex drugs and rock'n'roll fundie Arabs supposedly responsible for it in the States.

I'm not an intelligence expert but there must be some methodology involved by being loud, obvious and in noticeable groups while the more real and covert operatives do their thing.

Just my opinion as everyone has one or two (along with an azzhole ).

I am a few years from retirement, and am looking for a country that has few disputes with its neighbors and seems to be a nice place to live. The USA seems to go out of its way to serve the needs of Israel, even to its own detriment. Chile appears to me to be a nice out of the way place should a major war occur in the Northern Hemisphere. It appears that Chile gets along reasonably well with its neighbors. Bolivia appears to resent the loss of its coastline 130 years ago, but is not in a position to do much about it.

Should Patagonia be a home away from home for the Zionists, Chile could be affected politically, and life there might be different than it is now. I have read other articles in the past about large tracts of land being purchased in the South by those of a certain political and religious persuasion. I would be just as concerned if any other group would appear in large numbers. I do not wish to offend anyone.

About 25 years ago a group from India purchased a ranch in Oregon, and muscled their way into county politics. the town was renamed Rasnishpuram.

I was just curious what those of you living in Chile might have observed, or heard. This seems to be quite a lively topic.

There it was during many years a vast territory controlled by a group of germans (many of them ex nazis) it was called "Colonia Dignidad" and operated under a welfare cover since the 50s to 90s, now the founder (Paul Sheffer) is in jail and all the organization declared illegal. The wird thing is that they was protected by governmentes of any kind, from Christian Democrats to leftist Allende to rigthist Pinochet. More than politic they was a very close group organized like a sect controlling their "followers" by slavery, tortures and sex abuse. It was very odd they had last so long

Hi Tom,
looks like the "Colonia Dignidad" moved to Israel!!

http://www.news24.com/News24/World/News ... 87,00.html

eeuunikkeiexpat wrote:Primary personal - R&R from mandatory service.
Secondary obligation - report to Mossad on any interesting observation and finding during their R&R.

I say it would be very naive to deny some of theses youngsters also didn't have an intelligence task as primary over their R&R. Remember the Israeli "art students" swarming USA gov facilities rounded up and ejected from the US after 9 1 1 (and amazingly reported by FOX but then smothered)?? Not to mention moving companies and dressing up as Arabs and others directly on the heels of the sex drugs and rock'n'roll fundie Arabs supposedly responsible for it in the States.

Exactly. I had an encounter with some of these clown on De Anza Blvd. in Cupertino, CA in 2000. ' Art students.' Uh huh, yeah right. I knew something was fishy bout them but I couldn't put my finger on it. A couple years later after the FBI had 400 Israeli spies expelled from the USA, (which the US media ignored, mostly!) I put 2 and 2 together. They want to get into your house or business on the pretext of selling you pictures and helping to hang them in your house etc. Part of their mission is just basic recon, looking for info of possible intelligence value.


You can read stories online about the same 'off duty' IDF soldiers exploits in India. The Indians hate them. Ironic, the two biggest allies of Israel are where they spy the most.

Read "By way of deception" By Ostrovski, I read it years ago. That

get into your house or business on the pretext

is basic fieldcraft stuff.

MikieO wrote:Hi Tom,
looks like the "Colonia Dignidad" moved to Israel!!

http://www.news24.com/News24/World/News ... 87,00.html

Very interesting link.

And interesting thread.

[quote="Vicki and Greg Lansen"]Just my opinion Helen! If you visit the link in the first post and read through the blog, both the blogger's posts, and the comments, you will quickly realize how deep the [b]hatred[/b] runs on both sides.

The woman writing the blog is very angry, and possibly rightly so, but to label young Jewish backpackers as war criminals and to associate iPods and MP3 players with a covert Israeli military invasion is a little far fetched.



Hey Vick are you talking to me or is Laura another Helen? I'm with you on this issue, it appears to be a lot of long standing paranoid BS mixed with hatred. And now all our comments are part of that original link. Now that is scary!!!!

What I was getting at in my original post was that it appears that large tracts of land are being purchased in Patagonia. Add to that large amounts of young Israelis hanging out there.

The long term prospects of Israel verses the Arab world are rather iffy in the long run. I have never been to Chile, but it appears that Patagonia is rather unsettled, but given enough money and dedication, it could work for a country that might need to move its population to another spot in the world.

In American history, Brigham Young had the Mormons move to a part of the country that no one else wanted, what became the Salt Lake valley in Utah.

I may be off in loony-ville and conspiracy land, but current trends might not be as far off as they first appear. The Lansons have some direct observations, but just are reporting that young Israelis are there. I was curious what the other folks might have observed in the South.

Granted, the author of the article I posted a link to has an ax to grind. I tend to read information from many sources. Every one is entitled to their opinions and observations. By reading many different opinions in various websites, some information tends to be confirmed again and again, so there might be something to ideas that at first appear outlandish.
Kind of like the Duck Test. If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, it might be a duck. Or at least a goose or a swan, close enough.

Now here is something I do know:
Outside of Futrono, on Lago Ranco 125 New Zealand families have recently formed some sort of Coop and have bought up some large dairy farms and adjacent woodlands that are being cleared for more dairy land. I actually saw, with my own eyes, the roads closed as they were installing tunnels for the cows to cross beneath the existing roads,(yeah right!) so they would not have to stop traffic. This is ominous and I think they could be poised to ____________(fill in the blanks)


I am also convinced that Israeli youth are traveling in droves to Futaleufu where most Chileans have never even visited but there are outposts of military secrets of immense importance and despite the harsh climate and impassable roads (to say nothing of unpredictable volcanoes) the Israelis are planning a new , but very low key promised land .

If only the worlds spys were as competent as a James Bond movie makes them out to be, I'm sure things would be different but they just aren't.