Re: Chile and the International Economic Crisis

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Look! SPAM! what a relief, I thought this post would never get hit.
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Re: Chile and the International Economic Crisis

Postby admin » Wed Dec 09, 2009 11:38 am

Here is the next shoe to drop.

A proposed international tax on investments to stop investors from running away to trade in other countries, coordinated with other countries for collection:

http://www.onn.tv/articles/the-optionsh ... -tax-bill/

Got to just love that burn the expat proposal, as those are the things that get mission creep fast. Just not as fast as this bill that is in the late stages.

But this is the one catching my eye right now, but can not find any details about exactly what form this tax bill is taking:
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/art ... wD9CFLN580

It is a super super scary one for Americans living outside the country.
http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-200 ... 08411.html

It would require all foreign banks to report all activity of Americans overseas, or the foreign bank will have to pay a 30% tax withholding on any of the transactions originating in the United States. They must also include receipts of deposits, with drawls, and payments.


By Martin Vaughan

Of DOW JONES NEWSWIRES


WASHINGTON (Dow Jones)--Banking groups are asking House lawmakers to ease the reporting burden they say they would face under new legislation aimed at catching tax evaders.

The bill from House Ways and Means Committee Chairman Charles Rangel (D., N.Y.) and Rep. Richard Neal (D., Mass), would require foreign banks to report the identities and account balances of their U.S. customers to the Internal Revenue Service, or pay a 30% tax withholding penalty on any payments to the bank originating in the U.S.

Banking trade groups said the bill in its current form is unworkable, and could cause numerous foreign banks to pull out of U.S. investments.

"One might reasonably conclude that the goals of the bill are unattainable absent a multilateral agreement regarding uniform, universal identification and reporting standards," wrote the European Banking Federation and the Institute of International Bankers in a letter to lawmakers.

The new reporting requirements would require the largest foreign banks to verify that tens of millions of accounts are not U.S.-owned, the groups said.

They sought a change to the bill that would allow banks to rely on data it already has, such as an address or residency information, to establish that the account-holder is not a U.S. person. The bill in its current form would allow banks to rely on a certification from the account-holder that the account is not U.S.-owned.

The foreign banking groups also asked lawmakers to drop a requirement that account activity such as receipts and withdrawals be included in annual reporting to the IRS on U.S.-owned accounts.

The Rangel-Neal bill is also backed by influential Senate Democrats and the administration of President Barack Obama. It is expected to be included in a year-end House bill to extend expiring tax breaks for businesses and individuals.

Congressional tax estimators say the bill would raise $8.5 billion over 10 years by making it harder for U.S. taxpayers to shelter money in offshore accounts.

Besides banks, foreign investment entities like hedge funds, private equity and mutual funds would face new reporting requirements on their U.S. investors.

The Securities Industry and Financial Markets Association, another trade group, argued in a separate letter to House lawmakers that certain foreign partnerships should be carved out of the reporting mandates. Private equity and hedge funds are already required to report to the IRS in some cases regarding their U.S. partners on a Schedule K-1 form.

SIFMA also asked lawmakers to add a de minimis threshold for reporting of $50,000 per account.

In a separate submission, the Financial Services Roundtable urged lawmakers to narrow the kinds of payments to which the 30% withholding penalty would apply. Under the bill, withholding tax would apply to U.S. payments to account-holders of a non-compliant bank, and also to payments to the bank's own account.

"This penalty will force those foreign financial institutions that simply cannot comply with the new reporting obligations to divest all their U.S. investments," the group wrote.

Lawmakers should remove a provision that would effectively end U.S. tax benefits for foreign-issued bearer bonds, said the Organization for International Investment. "The repeal of U.S. tax benefits for issuers and holders of these bonds could be a major impediment to the ability of U.S. corporations to float debt in the Eurobond market," OFII wrote.

Several groups also urged lawmakers to push out the bill's effective date of Dec. 31, 2010, saying multiple years would be needed to prepare to comply with the new reporting regime.
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Re: Chile and the International Economic Crisis

Postby admin » Wed Dec 09, 2009 12:04 pm

Here is some more detail and it is scary. I love the way what few news articles there are on it, are always high lighting that is targeting the "rich" and "evil corporations" that are hiding their assets internationally, but the limits as little as $50,000. Any middle class American that is retired or working oversees would very easily fall in to that category. The real eye catcher is that all foreign corporations would be required to report any company in which an American owns more than 10%. Please keep in mind that "foreign corporations" by the U.S. IRS definition often includes things such as simple partnerships and such. Essentially any business activity already falls under the IRS reporting requirement.

http://www.forbes.com/2009/10/27/tax-ha ... gress.html

Being an American overseas with money is about to become illegal.

The really worrying thing is that the big corporate lobbies are likely to get their requirements stripped out, while low network private individuals that are retired or working are likely not going to be so lucky.
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Re: Chile and the International Economic Crisis

Postby eeuunikkeiexpat » Wed Dec 09, 2009 12:22 pm

But there is a broader trend going on, particularly by Western European governments and through the efforts of the Organisation for Economic Cooperation and Development, to shine a light on tax havens and stop tax avoidance.

From the above article, like I said before. Where do you think these things are discussed and coordinated? It is not just the US that wants to regulate the offshore activities of their citizens.

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Re: Chile and the International Economic Crisis

Postby admin » Wed Dec 09, 2009 12:24 pm

Here is the bill as introduced. I am still going through it.

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c111:H.R.3933:

Here is a more detailed summary below. As hard as it is right now for Americans to do business, it will essentially be to expensive and risky to open bank accounts, brokerage accounts, or invest with American partners without paying completely through the nose.

http://curtistax.blogspot.com/2009/11/f ... ct-of.html

On October 27, 2009, Senator Max Baucus (D-MT), Chairman of the Senate Finance Committee, and Congressman Charles Rangel (D-NY), Chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee, introduced bill H.R. 3933 titled the Foreign Account Tax Compliance Act of 2009 (the “Bill”).

If enacted in its current form, the Bill would:
Require a 30% withholding on all "withholdable payments" (generally, U.S. source dividends, interest or other “fixed and determinable income”, as well as gross proceeds from the sale of assets that can produce U.S. source dividends or interest) to a "foreign financial institution", unless such foreign financial institution enters into an agreement with the IRS under which it agrees to comply with certain verification and reporting procedures with respect to "United States accounts." For purposes of this provision, a “foreign financial institution” would include not only a bank or securities firm , but also a “foreign investment vehicle” such as a hedge fund or private equity fund.

A “United States account” would include any financial account held directly by (i) one or more United States persons (other than publicly traded corporations, certain tax-exempt organizations, a government, government agency or instrumentality, a bank, a real estate investment trust and certain trusts) or (ii) foreign entities that have one or more "substantial United States owners." A “substantial United States owner” means (i) with respect to a corporation, any United States person which owns directly or indirectly more than 10% of the stock of such corporation (by vote or value) and (ii) with respect to a partnership, any United States person which owns directly or indirectly more than 10% of the profits or capital interests in such partnership, and (iii) with respect to an investment vehicle, a U.S. person which owns any portion of such entity.

The agreement that a foreign financial institution would have to enter into with the IRS would require the institution, among other things, to comply with verification and due diligence procedures with respect to identifying United States accounts; annually report certain information with respect to any United States account, including the account balance or value, and the gross receipts and gross withdrawals or payments from the account; comply with requests by the IRS for additional information with respect to any United States. account; and attempt to obtain a waiver in any case in which any foreign law would prevent the reporting of the information required under the provision, and if the waiver is not obtained, to close the account. Alternatively, the foreign financial institution could elect to be subject to the same reporting requirements as a U.S. financial institution. The proposed provision would apply in addition to any requirement imposed under a Qualified Intermediary or similar agreement.

Repeal the exemption for interest non-deductibility and treatment as portfolio interest for foreign-targeted obligations. Under current law, a taxpayer may not deduct interest paid on obligations in bearer form. Furthermore, interest on obligations in bearer form does not qualify for the portfolio interest exemption. However, an exception to these general rules is provided for obligations that are issued under arrangements reasonably designed to ensure their sale to non-U.S. persons. The Bill would eliminate the foreign-targeted obligation exception for obligations issued more than 180 days after the Bill is enacted.

Amend the U.S. tax rules applicable to foreign trusts to: (1) broaden the scope of existing rules that treat a U.S. person who transfers property to a foreign trust that has U.S. beneficiaries, as an owner of the foreign trust by (a) expanding the circumstances in which a foreign trust is treated as having a U.S. beneficiary and (b) creating a presumption that a foreign trust to which a U.S. person transfers property has U.S. beneficiaries, unless information proving otherwise is provided to the IRS; (2) treat as a trust distribution, the permitted use of trust property (e.g., a house, apartment, yacht) by a U.S. grantor, U.S. beneficiary, or U.S. person related to such grantor or beneficiary, unless the trust receives the fair market value of the use of the property within a reasonable amount of time; and (3) permit the U.S. Treasury Department to impose additional reporting requirements on a U.S. person who is treated as an owner of a foreign trust; and (4) change the penalties for the failure to file certain information returns related to foreign trusts.

Introduce a new (30%) U.S. withholding tax on "dividend equivalent payments”, i.e. payments made under swaps or other derivative contracts that are contingent on, or determined by reference to, the payment of U.S. source dividends. A limited exception is provided for payments with respect to contracts the IRS determines does not have the potential for tax avoidance.

Introduce FBAR-type obligations requiring individuals who hold an interest in "specified foreign financial assets" to report such interest with their income tax return if the aggregate value of the assets exceeds $50,000. A "specified foreign financial asset" would include (i) any financial account (such as depositary and custodial accounts) maintained by a foreign financial institution, and (ii) if not held by a financial institution, (a) foreign stocks or securities, (b) any financial instrument or contract held for investment that has a foreign issuer or counterparty, and (c) any interest in a foreign entity.

Introduce reporting requirements for "material advisors" who assist a U.S. person in a "foreign entity transaction." The Bill would define a “material advisor” as any person who provides material aid, assistance or advice concerning a foreign entity transaction and who earns gross income in excess of $100,000 in a calendar year for its services. A “foreign entity transaction” would be defined as the direct or indirect acquisition of any interest in a foreign entity (including any interest acquired in connection with the formation of such entity) if any citizen or resident of the United States is required to file a report in connection with the acquisition under certain specified Internal Revenue Code sections.

Provide penalties for the violation of the obligations imposed by the Bill.
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Re: Chile and the International Economic Crisis

Postby admin » Wed Dec 09, 2009 12:25 pm

I seen today that the OECD has Chile on a "grey" list of countries because of its bank secrecy laws. Chile has some of the last checking accounts in the World that are still private.
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Re: Chile and the International Economic Crisis

Postby eeuunikkeiexpat » Wed Dec 09, 2009 12:27 pm

Touché! eeuuNE on the rebound :)
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Re: Chile and the International Economic Crisis

Postby admin » Wed Dec 09, 2009 12:31 pm

All we can do is prey someone has the good sense to kill or gut that bill.
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Re: Chile and the International Economic Crisis

Postby eeuunikkeiexpat » Wed Dec 09, 2009 12:39 pm

I'm a broken record but to US persons, GET OUT WHILE YOU STILL CAN!.

DYODD. NIA. TINSTAAFL. YMMV.

The only real hope is the rapid collapse of the government (and it's world reserve currency) so maybe we are SOL but we all new that already didn't we. :mrgreen:
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Re: Chile and the International Economic Crisis

Postby admin » Wed Dec 09, 2009 12:55 pm

Well, I guess it is not as bad as it looks as long as I am permitted to pay my taxes in worthless dollars :lol: .

I was reading through the bill, and it has written for the 'red neck with no passport or grasp on basic economics' all over it.

My guess that will be about 10-30% of the GDP of the United States will evaporate right there with that bill. Those guys in the cornfields will suddenly stand up and take notice of it, when not only their own jobs go overseas but the entire company goes. They will be very surprised when they open their 401(k) plan at retirement time and find it empty because it could not make foreign investments.
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Re: Chile and the International Economic Crisis

Postby admin » Wed Dec 09, 2009 11:46 pm

It looks like it passed the house today.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/House-vot ... 46042.html

It kind of came off as foot note however to other tax issues.
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Re: Chile and the International Economic Crisis

Postby Laura55llc » Thu Dec 10, 2009 6:16 pm

Interesting story at WSJ online people having more disposable income after walking away from foreclosures and renting for less.

PALMDALE, Calif. -- Schoolteacher Shana Richey misses the playroom she decorated with Glamour Girl decals for her daughters. Fireman Jay Fernandez misses the custom putting green he installed in his backyard.

But ever since they quit paying their mortgages and walked away from their homes, they've discovered that giving up on the American dream has its benefits.

Both now live on the 3100 block of Club Rancho Drive in Palmdale, where a terrible housing market lets them rent luxurious homes -- one with a pool for the kids, the other with a golf-course view -- for a fraction of their former monthly payments"It's just a better life. It really is," says Ms. Richey. Before defaulting on her mortgage, she owed about $230,000 more than the home was worth.

People's increasing willingness to abandon their own piece of America illustrates a paradoxical change wrought by the housing bust: Even as it tarnishes the near-sacred image of home ownership, it might be clearing the way for an economic recovery.

Thanks to a rare confluence of factors -- mortgages that far exceed home values and bargain-basement rents -- a growing number of families are concluding that the new American dream home is a rental.

Some are leaving behind their homes and mortgages right away, while others are simply halting payments until the bank kicks them out. That's freeing up cash to use in other ways.

Ms. Richey's family of five used some of the money to buy season tickets to Disneyland, and plans to take a Carnival cruise to Mexico in March. Mr. Fernandez takes his girlfriend out to dinner more frequently. "We're saving lots of money," Ms. Richey says.

The U.S home-ownership rate has charted its biggest decline in more than two decades, falling to 67.6% as of September from a peak of 69.2% in 2004. And more renters are on the way: Credit firm Experian and consulting firm Oliver Wyman forecast that "strategic defaults" by homeowners who can afford to pay are likely to exceed one million in 2009, more than four times 2007's level.

For the 4.8 million U.S. households that data provider LPS Applied Analytics estimates haven't paid their mortgages in at least three months, the added cash flow could amount to about $5 billion a month -- an injection that in the long term could be worth more than the tax breaks in the Obama administration's economic-stimulus package.

"It's a stealth stimulus," says Christopher Thornberg of Beacon Economics, a consulting firm specializing in real estate and the California economy. "The quicker these people shed their debts, the faster the economy is going to heal and move forward again."

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB126040517376983621.html
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