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I look up on chile national IQ...around 90+ ...thought it may be 100 given her german and spanish heritage...
Do you guys think that the IQ tests on students in Chile a fair assesment?

Hong Kong 107 Korea, South 106 Japan 105 Taiwan 104 Singapore 104 Austria 102 Germany 102 Italy 102 Netherlands 102 Sweden 101 Switzerland 101 Belgium 100 China 100 New Zealand 100 U. Kingdom 100 Hungary 99 Poland 99 Australia 98 Denmark 98 France 98 Norway 98 United States 98 Canada 97 Czech Republic 97 Finland 97 Spain 97 Argentina 96 Russia 96 Slovakia 96 Uruguay 96 Portugal 95 Slovenia 95 Israel 94 Romania 94 Bulgaria 93 Ireland 93 Greece 92 Malaysia 92 Thailand 91 Croatia 90 Peru 90 Turkey 90 Colombia 89 Indonesia 89 Suriname 89 Brazil 87 Iraq 87 Mexico 87 Samoa (Western) 87 Tonga 87 Lebanon 86 Philippines 86 Cuba 85 Morocco 85 Fiji 84 Iran 84 Marshall Islands 84 Puerto Rico 84 Egypt 83 India 81 Ecuador 80 Guatemala 79 Barbados 78 Nepal 78 Qatar 78 Zambia 77 Congo (Brazz) 73 Uganda 73 Jamaica 72 Kenya 72 South Africa 72 Sudan 72 Tanzania 72 Ghana 71 Nigeria 67 Guinea 66 Zimbabwe 66 Congo (Zaire) 65 Sierra Leone 64 Ethiopia 63 Equatorial Guinea 59


Chile not in it but may be near Argentina level of IQ in this survey

Asean wrote:Hong Kong 107
Korea, South 106
Japan 105
Taiwan 104
Singapore 104
Austria 102
Germany 102
Italy 102
Netherlands 102
Sweden 101
Switzerland 101
Belgium 100
China 100
New Zealand 100
U. Kingdom 100
Hungary 99
Poland 99
Australia 98
Denmark 98
France 98
Norway 98
United States 98
Canada 97
Czech Republic 97
Finland 97
Spain 97
Argentina 96
Russia 96
Slovakia 96
Uruguay 96
Portugal 95
Slovenia 95
Israel 94
Romania 94
Bulgaria 93
Ireland 93
Greece 92
Malaysia 92
Thailand 91
Croatia 90
Peru 90
Turkey 90
Colombia 89
Indonesia 89
Suriname 89
Brazil 87
Iraq 87
Mexico 87
Samoa (Western) 87
Tonga 87
Lebanon 86
Philippines 86
Cuba 85
Morocco 85
Fiji 84
Iran 84
Marshall Islands 84
Puerto Rico 84
Egypt 83
India 81
Ecuador 80
Guatemala 79
Barbados 78
Nepal 78
Qatar 78
Zambia 77
Congo (Brazz) 73
Uganda 73
Jamaica 72
Kenya 72
South Africa 72
Sudan 72
Tanzania 72
Ghana 71
Nigeria 67
Guinea 66
Zimbabwe 66
Congo (Zaire) 65
Sierra Leone 64
Ethiopia 63
Equatorial Guinea 59


Chile not in it but may be near Argentina level of IQ in this survey

Interesting list.. how old is it?

wonder what Chile will look like if IQ level goes up 100 national average...maybe more homegrown talents like apple and erricson?

Asean wrote:I look up on chile national IQ...around 90+ ...thought it may be 100 given her german and spanish heritage...
Do you guys think that the IQ tests on students in Chile a fair assesment?

Asean,

From your remark about "German and Spanish heritage" my guess is that you most likely have a racialized or hereditary view of IQ. "Genetic vs. environmental?" is the endless debate here in the States. Although not an expert, I *think* that the consensus is that it's a mix of the two, and that the exact proportions of each element are not known.

On the environmental side of things, German and Spanish heritage will not compensate for crappy schools; my reading tells me that public education in Chile is horrible, which is a shame. School is probably the best way for the state to compensate for a substandard home environment such as parents who are functionally illiterate or who won't buy books for their children.

Poverty also hurts; daily hunger for children results in IQ stunted by malnutrition. So, it would be interesting to see the statistics for hunger in Chile. Certainly there is plenty of poverty; I think that between 20 to 25% of the population lives at or below the poverty line.

I can only guess at the answer as to whether or not the IQ assessment of Chilean students is fair. My instinct is to say "No," if only because of my online conversations with Charles and MarkF who've commented on what bad workplace treatment the Chilean working class gets. Compared to the USA or Germany or Japan, it sounds like they are stifled.

Here in the USA it's also bad for the poor, but maybe not so hopeless. If you are poor and hate school, but are good with your hands in some specialized way, and also ambitious and determined, at least you have a chance to enhance that IQ through additional training outside of public schools. I'd guess that this {more progressive view among working-class families) helps account for the higher average IQ of the USA.

did anybody notice that the countries with the poorest, least educated, worst fed populations are near the bottom of the list. does this bring up the inherent contradiction of IQ as being a learning based test? and if so what is its value? its well known on standardized tests that you can "teach the test" rather than the subject matter and give a false reading of the level of understanding of the subject.
jon

ps, did anyone watch this? youtube dot com/watch?v=iG9CE55wbtY

(thanks tonyakaserg - really great link)

Hi spencer,
No offence but if IQ from the people is not the yardstick of the success and wealth of a nation, what is?
I agree that other makeup lik EQ , hardwork and luck played a part but to totally deny the existence of intellectual capacity of the individuals that formed a group that in turn a nation does not make sense too..
So if you are to build the best ship in the world, you will need the best engineers, right?If there's no IQ assesement, we'll all be having MITs and Stanford universities worldwide.However there's only 1 MIT, 1 stanford...

Don't delete the posting, Charles. I doubt that AllChileans as a whole will accord the ratings any more status than as an indication of learning, as LongJon pointed out.

My own impression is that, although quality of intelligence will vary from people to people, its quantity will not appreciably. Thus, "IQ" tests, which measure to a Western standard, will favor Western nations (and those Eastern with a similar "cool" approach to scholarship). Other tests, perhaps not yet devised, would favor other groups, and with no less objectivity within other standards of measurement.

Askenazi jews seems to be the top scorer. however if you look at Israel IQ ...it's not that fantastic meaning the few geniuses lead the way in the tribe...quite interesting..

When I was pregnant, I read that eating a lot of protein and fish would raise the babies IQ. Well it seems to have worked, he can score at genius level on tests but on a lot of other levels, he is kinda dumb. Just because yoyu can score high on a test means little other than you can score high on a test.

All of us wants level playing field
but we are not god, we just make the best of what life have dealt us..
Cause IQ is such a controvesial subject as it touches on race and eugenics..no one wanted to deal with it ..
But as human beings, we tend to analyse and try to solve problems creating bigger problems...the best scenerios is all of us have high IQs so as to debunk the myth of national superiority

Asean wrote:Hi spencer,
No offence but if IQ from the people is not the yardstick of the success and wealth of a nation, what is?

to answer your question altho im not spencer: creativity is the yardstick of intelligence, but good values are necessary for the of success and wealth of a nation as well as individuals. specifically hard work, saving and creativity will result in success and wealth.
jon

Like I said though high IQ does not guarantee success for any nation..however without it means failure in the long run.
Just like having tons of money doesn't mean happiness for you but without any means misery in the long term, go figure!