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Re: Access to money in a US bank acccount

Postby MarkF on Tue May 13, 2008 3:33 pm

FYI, I just called eTrade. They offer the two-factor authentication feature I've mentioned (Schwab and PayPal). It costs $25 if your account balance is less than $25k. I was told that after obtaining an account and signing in, there's a link at the bottom of the page concerning security/online security, and from there a link for what they call "eTrade Digital Secure ID." (All these places have different names for it. It's difficult to find out if someone has it because you never know what it's called. Sometimes it's called "passcode" or "secure token").

Also, the High Yield Savings account doesn't come with an ATM card. Only the checking account. So, it's a $5k minimum balance. (Savings is $1k. I was hoping that would be a less-expensive way to get an ATM card.).

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Re: Access to money in a US bank acccount

Postby El Zorro on Tue May 13, 2008 3:52 pm

Mark, if you want to divulge this, remember, or it’s relevant, timely, or whatever: how high is the High Yield Savings? I have money tied up in an institution that is killing me, but for now I don’t have time to do the research to move it.

BTW, did I miss it? What is your connection with Chile, since you seem to live in Arizona?
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Re: Access to money in a US bank acccount

Postby MarkF on Tue May 13, 2008 5:09 pm

El Zorro wrote:how high is the High Yield Savings?


3.15%. eTrade's checking is 3.25% (with $5k US minimum balance). Charles (admin) says he gets 0% on their ATM card. But, I've detected eTrade has tiered pricing. If Charles has a big balance there, they may waive things for him which they wouldn't for someone with just the minimum balance. (They advertise 1% on their ATM card, which isn't bad.).

You can get 3.3% at Washington Mutual and $0 minimum. But, their ATM card is no good. It has a 1% international fee. But, they told me today it's going up to 3% in June. WaMu's good to have because they have free outgoing foreign wire transfers. But, you have to initiate it from a local branch office. I need to talk to them about how to initiate if when you're outside the country. Unlimited domestic ACH transfers.

Bankofinternet.com looks good if you're over 40. They pay 3% or 3.3% depending on whether you're 40+ or 50+. They're one of the few with a 0% ATM card. And no minimum balance. But, no international wire transfers. And, no way to initiate domestic ACH transfers. You have to initiate it from a bank that has that feature in their online banking interface. Most do (including WaMu and PayPal, which is free). They allow unlimited ACH.

Schwab checking is paying 2%. But, you can open a brokerage account with the checking account, no minimum for either, and do instant transfers to the brokerage account, putting money in the money market fund ($2500 US minimum balance) which is paying something like 2.8%. Also the total market bond fund which is paying 4.8% (but, bond funds go up and down in value. They're a longer term, fixed-income investment). Schwab's ATM card is one of the 0% cards. And, they have the "secure ID" two-factor authentication thing. $25 for outgoing international wire transfers. Initiated by faxing a form. Unlimited domestic ACH transfers.

BankDirect.com is reported to have the desirable 0% ATM card. But, they don't pay good interest. I don't know anything else yet (ACH, wire transfers). You'd have $100 US sitting there earning nothing just to have access to the ATM card (maybe wire transfers too).

Capitalone.com is paying 3%. They're reported to have the desirable 0% ATM card. No minimum balance. ACH withdrawals limited to 6 per month. Not sure if this applies to ATM withdrawals too. If not, it's not a problem because you'd be doing ACH deposits to get access via the ATM. Haven't investigated anything else yet (wire transfers, etc.).

evergreenbank.com. I think "EEUU" said they have free outgoing international wire transfers. They don't pay good interest. But, reportedly a 1% ATM card which isn't bad. It could be worth having since they have $0 minimum balance.

I don't believe there's one perfect place. If you have a lot of money to let sit, eTrade might be best. But, I think it's good to get a few of these (which don't require big commitments) because things change over time (as evidenced by WaMu's ATM card going from 1% to 3%). I picked up a bankofinternet account this morning. It's free. $50 to open the account, but $0 minimum for ongoing. I joined the 50+ club a couple months ago. So, I get 3.3% interest if I want to park some money. (Five more years I get the Senior's discount at Denny's. That's something to look forward to.).

El Zorro wrote:BTW, did I miss it? What is your connection with Chile, since you seem to live in Arizona?


Sorry. I should have posted to the new-user intro forum. (I'm not good with that.). I am married to a Chilena. We married in Chile. I'm planning to retire early (in Chile) in a year or three. Otherwise, my work lets me work remotely for months. So, I go to Chile for 3 months at a time. I stay around Santiago.

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Re: Access to money in a US bank acccount

Postby El Zorro on Tue May 13, 2008 5:59 pm

I didn’t do that either. I missed it, but everybody knows who I am: Don Diego de la Vega.

Mike, you’re pretty good with financial info. On the other hand, I’ve lost thousands of dollars in interest alone because I never had time to do the research necessary to manage money wisely. The riskiest transaction I ever did was to buy T-bills, but you know that is now in the dumper. Currently I’m bleeding awfully at about %2.5.
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Re: Access to money in a US bank acccount

Postby admin on Tue May 13, 2008 6:44 pm

If Charles has a big balance there, they may waive things for him which they wouldn't for someone with just the minimum balance. (They advertise 1% on their ATM card, which isn't bad.).


I really do not have a big balance. In fact, I don't think most of the time I meet there balance requirement. The only fee I have ever seen on my account is like $5 a month account fee. I have never looked in to it in great detail.

There is a reason also I believe that is so. I had a brokerage account with etrade before they changed the law to allow brokerages and banks to mix. So, when etrade opened their bank division they where trying to lure new customers in and I believe I signed up under a different agreement. I think however I have been fairly consistently hitting the $1,000 min, so I have not been hit with a lot of fees. I am not currently earning any interest on the accounts, and don't really care too much about that. I have better places to park my money or invest it ( The Chile forum for example ).


Here are the fees they have posted for checking:

Independent Checking—$10
To avoid the monthly fee, an average monthly balance of $1,000 is required. The monthly fee is also waived for customers who maintain a minimum average balance of $5,000 in total E*TRADE Bank deposits by the end of their second statement cycle; or who maintain a combined balance of $50,000 or more in linked E*TRADE Securities, E*TRADE Bank, and employee stock plan accounts (including vested in-the-money options, stock option plan shares, ESPP shares, and released restricted stock), or execute at least 30 stock or options trades during a calendar quarter in their E*TRADE Securities account.

E*TRADE Money Market—$10
To avoid monthly fee, an average monthly account balance of $1,000 is required. The monthly fee is also waived for customers who maintain an average monthly balance of $5,000 in total E*TRADE Bank deposits by the end of their second statement cycle; or who maintain a combined balance of $50,000 or more in linked E*TRADE Securities, E*TRADE Bank, and employee stock plan accounts (including vested in-the-money options, stock option plan shares, ESPP shares, and released restricted stock); or execute at least 30 stock or options trades during a calendar quarter in their E*TRADE Securities account.

Max-Rate Checking—$15
To avoid the monthly fee an average monthly balance of $5,000 is required. The monthly fee is also waived for customers who set up and maintain a direct deposit of $200 or more per month (A combination of direct deposits totaling $200 does not satisfy this requirement); or who maintain a combined balance of $50,000 or more in linked E*TRADE Securities, E*TRADE Bank, and employee stock plan accounts (including vested in-the-money options, stock option plan shares, ESPP shares, and released restricted stock); or execute at least 30 stock or options trades during a calendar quarter in their E*TRADE Securities account.
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Re: Access to money in a US bank acccount

Postby MarkF on Tue May 13, 2008 7:02 pm

admin wrote:So, when etrade opened their bank division they where trying to lure new customers in and I believe I signed up under a different agreement.


Earlier I said the High Yield savings doesn't include an ATM card. But, I noticed they have another savings account called Money Market Savings. It comes with the ATM card. It has the same $1k US minimum balance. So, that might be an option for anyone who wants to see if they can get the 0% ATM fee you're getting. (The MM savings doesn't pay good interest. And, it looks like they penalize you if you close the account within 4-6 months.).

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Re: Access to money in a US bank acccount

Postby eeuunikkeiexpat on Wed May 14, 2008 12:24 am

MarkF wrote:[evergreenbank.com. I think "EEUU" said they have free outgoing international wire transfers. They don't pay good interest. But, reportedly a 1% ATM card which isn't bad. It could be worth having since they have $0 minimum balance.

Correct link is everbank.com. Actually it is only incoming wires that are free. The Everbank VISA/PLUS debit card once a time ago pre March 2008 did accurately give you interbank and a 1% cut to Everbank, now I am finding "padding" when it comes to the USD/CLP rate. This is no longer a 1% card but a 2% or less OR MORE ON VOLATILE TRADING DAYS on average card because of the hidden padding on the interbank rate charge.

Also not a free account once you opt for the World Market Account feature ($4.95/month if less than a $1,500 average balance).

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Re: Access to money in a US bank acccount

Postby MarkF on Wed May 14, 2008 3:41 pm

El Zorro wrote:Currently I’m bleeding awfully at about %2.5.


Don, 2.5% isn't bad for a cash investment that's FDIC insured. When you said you were getting a bad rate, I thought you meant 0.25% like a lot of traditional banks pay on savings (and 0% on checking).

The highest yield short-term CDs are paying 2.7-3.0%. (A month or two ago they were 2.3-2.5%.). But, those are the highest yield. At some banks you're lucky to get 2.1%. (BTW: That's another thing I like about Schwab. They have a large selection of CDs from different banks. So, you can get the higher-yields without opening accounts at those banks. The only thing I'm not certain of is whether the FDIC insurance flows to you or Schwab.). Money Market funds (MMF) are in the 2.3-2.8% range. Not insured. But, more liquid.

I don't understand some of these banks offering 3.0-3.4% in savings and/or checking. I always think they're subsidizing the rates to get new customers, and won't last forever (beating MMFs and CDs). It doesn't make sense that they'll pay more than they would by issuing certificates of deposits, and incur the expenses of managing pesky customers. But, they've been doing it for 2-3 years.

Until recently there's not been much variation in MMF yields, except between the ones with low and high minimums (to reduce fund expenses). But, lately some of them have taken a hit. During the recent economic bubble some funds began investing in higher-yielding products like Auction Rate Securities. These were short term contracts where people with a lot of money (and corporations) could park their cash for 7 to 90 days, and get high interest rates. When the credit crisis hit, the market ceased to exist. ARSs lost 30% of their value. A lot of speculation that MMFs would violate their self-imposed rule to maintain a $1 NAV price. I think what they are recouping their losses through lower yields, and basically subsidizing the fund's share value so they don't "break a buck." If the share value dropped below $1 nobody would ever put money in that fund again. It's just sleight of hand.

Without knowing your particular circumstances, most people should be diversified between bond funds, stock index funds (including international funds) and different cash investments. The percentages change based upon age, goals, etc. If you do that you tend to get 6-8% annually over the long haul. But, some of those things are more volatile. Something like stock funds can lose 30% in one year, taking 3-5 years to recover. That's why the allocation between those things is so personal. But, if you're 30-40 years old, with all your money in a savings account. That's not smart. (Someone in that position can withstand more volatile investments for the sake of longer-term growth.). Missing 1/2 percent isn't the problem.

I hope I'm not talking down to you. I'm not sure what you're experience is.

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Re: Access to money in a US bank acccount

Postby El Zorro on Wed May 14, 2008 5:35 pm

Mark, until now, I was just accumulating some capital, but since I’m planning on retiring this year, I’m trying to get educated on how to invest that capital so I can live off it, at least until SS age, eight more years. I realize that Internet banking is critical, and that is why I’m working on computer power to do it. I’m already working on how to tamper proof my machines, and the next step is finding out where I can start putting that capital. I have a Roth IRA in a mutual fund with Vanguard, which is not that big and also took a hit. As I said before, aside from this, I only invested in T-Bills, but when they looked like they were going downhill (below %4.00), I found an account at Bank of America at over that figure, but now that is also on the down slope.

On another front, re your “little book” where you keep the answer to the “secret questions,” I’m guessing you’re talking about an actual notebook. If that’s the case, couldn’t you just keep an encrypted file on your computer or other media?
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Re: Access to money in a US bank acccount

Postby MarkF on Wed May 14, 2008 6:48 pm

El Zorro wrote:Mark, until now, I was just accumulating some capital, but since I’m planning on retiring this year, I’m trying to get educated on how to invest that capital so I can live off it, at least until SS age, eight more years.


Are you saying you plan to consume all capital so you can retire early, and then live of Soc. Sec? If you have longer-term cash management requirements I can give you some ideas from what I've learned. (I'm not trying to solicit you to reveal personal info. If you want to PM me you can.). If not, I probably don't have to remind you about the stories Soc. Sec. benefits will be reduced (or, some even predict eliminated) over the coming years.

El Zorro wrote:Vanguard,


Vanguard's great. They're famous for having the lowest fund expense ratios available to individual investors. Fidelity is a close second. The only downside (when I looked a couple years ago) is that they tend to have high minimums. Like, $5k US initial investment to get into a mutual fund. That's how they keep their expense ratios down. But, it makes them less useful for people just starting out, with modest funds. Also, they (at least Vanguard) have a lot of fees unless you have a lot of money with them. They have three levels of accounts (voyager, sojourner and vagabond, or something like that :) . Those classes of customers were always off-putting to me.). The people in the lower category get hit with sizeable fees which probably diminishes any gains they make from the lower fund expenses.

(Pumping Schwab again. I have no affiliation except as a customer.). I like Schwab because they have very low minimums. $100 US initial investment, $1 subsequent investment. That's almost unheard of. With a $0 minimum to open the brokerage and checking accounts, literally someone with no money could get started with long-term savings. With those low minimums I'd expect them to have high expense ratios. But, theirs are consistently well below the category averages. (If I had a lot of money, I'd probably switch to Vanguard to get the lower expenses.).

El Zorro wrote:On another front, re your “little book” where you keep the answer to the “secret questions,” I’m guessing you’re talking about an actual notebook. If that’s the case, couldn’t you just keep an encrypted file on your computer?


It's a physical note book. I've considered loose-leaf pages in one of those pocketed file folders. But, the little notebook looks less important. Encryption can be broken with brute force attacks, depending on how complex your passphrase is. The more complex (random characters) the easier to forget. (Although, see http://www.ironkey.com. It has hardware encryption built into the USB drive and will fill the drive with binary zeros if someone enters the wrong passphrase ten times in a row. The only thing better would be if it exploded. You could use a very simple passphrase that couldn't be guessed within that number of tries.).

Another concern would be the fact that even flash storage wears out. That's why flash file systems are designed to write to different areas of "disk," so they don't bang away on the same area as you add and remove files like a magnetic disk. (I think it's a "file system" controller built into each flash device, whether a CF card or pen drive.). But, eventually they fail. It would be problematic to lose all the secret responses. Especially in a different country.

I guess you could keep an encrypted file on your normal hard disk. Name it something misleading (like keeping it in /windows/system32). As long as you take backups (and keep a few backups around) you'd be safe. I just like paper for this. If all else fails, I have the paper (unless a house fire).

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Re: Access to money in a US bank acccount

Postby El Zorro on Wed May 14, 2008 7:52 pm

Are you saying you plan to consume all capital so you can retire early, and then live of Soc. Sec?

No, No. I just meant that SS would be a cushion. I’ll use the capital to generate extra income. Besides, I can live on very little, believe you me.

A for the “notebook” deal, the obvious question is: what if you lose it? I think that encryption is much safer, especially when you can make countless copies of the “file” and keep it on a server somewhere, like your own e-mail’s, especially if it is encrypted in an innocent looking place, like a picture, or as reference to another file among thousands that you only know about, etc., etc. I could go hog wild with that. Who’s going to take the time and trouble to try to find what you really have encrypted unless there is a damn good reason?

I’m a fanatic about backups. I wrote a backup/cloning utility in VB some years ago that I’m constantly improving. Although the Admin has a quasi over-the-top dislike for Windows, I use its versatility to make it safe because I understand it and don’t take the Linux so-called safety or file-cleaning utilities for granted. I don’t trust file-cleaning utilities because if you use them in a supposedly secure system, eventually they run into file sharing violations and they fail without you finding out. I use partitions and different hard drives to scan passive OS installations for files that are harmful to my system or my privacy. That’s how I discovered that the firewall that was supposed to protect me, actually kept track of what I was doing and logged too much info about my Internet activities. I wouldn't be surprised if all of them do that.
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Re: Access to money in a US bank acccount

Postby MarkF on Wed May 14, 2008 8:40 pm

El Zorro wrote:I just meant that SS would be a cushion.


It's difficult to know you're situation. And, I don't want to solicit details in a public forum. But, from things you said earlier it sounded like you might have everything in cash. And, it sounds like you expect some of that money to last your life. If that's true, financial planners would say it's a bad idea not to be diversified into bond and stock index funds for that amount of cash that you don't expect to touch for a few years. I.e., even entering into retirement (especially early retirement) a person can withstand more-volatile investments to get the higher historic averages they yield. A good way to think of it is to categorize your money into short- (1-2 years), intermediate- (2-8 years) and long-term (8-20 years) buckets. Each would be allocated differently. Maybe the short-term would be savings and laddered CDs (so you get average rates, and liquidity due to constantly maturing CDs). Intermediate might be laddered CDs and a combination of short- and long-term bonds. Long-term would be long-term bonds and stock indexes.

How much in each bucket, and the percentage of allocation in each is a matter of personal preference. But, 100% cash for 20 years is as bad as the retiree who puts all their savings into the stock market. So, that's all I have to say. I don't want to get into your business or cause you to talk about anything publicly that I wouldn't. But, if you're 100% cash, you might want to talk to financial planners. They'll talk for free. You can get ideas of how they'd manage your money (for a fee). After getting ideas, it's something you can easily do yourself. If I've misunderstood, I apologize if it sounds like I'm speaking down to you. Just based on what you said so far, I wanted to say the above.

El Zorro wrote:A for the “notebook” deal, the obvious question is: what if you lose it? I think that encryption is much safer,


I don't carry the paper notebook around with me (unless I go on a trip). But, you're right. Using TruCrypt (free) it could be safe to keep the info on my computer, keeping multiple backups, etc. I just like paper. If anything goes wrong, I've always got the paper. The house could burn down. But, if it was on a computer the computer (and backups) would be gone too.

El Zorro wrote:I’m a fanatic about backups. I wrote a backup/cloning utility in VB some years ago that I’m constantly improving.


I like Clonezilla (Google for it). It's free and does full image backups to an external USB drive. I like to take a full image every 1-3 months. In between I just drag/drop my data files to an external drive and zip them into one file. I have to impose a standard upon myself so I have consistent things to drag/drop.

If you want to use Clonezilla, it boots from a Linux Live CD. It can be perplexing to figure out. I can tell you the menu items to choose. It's just 5-6 things and you get a full image. You can write the image to another drive. Plug it into your computer and boot. Very handy to be able to get back to your system in the event of a hard drive failure (without spending days reinstalling everything).

El Zorro wrote:That’s how I discovered that the firewall that was supposed to protect me, actually kept track of what I was doing and logged too much info about my Internet activities. I wouldn't be surprised if all of them do that.


Maybe software firewalls. A router won't.

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Re: Access to money in a US bank acccount

Postby admin on Wed May 14, 2008 9:02 pm

Another concern would be the fact that even flash storage wears out. That's why flash file systems are designed to write to different areas of "disk," so they don't bang away on the same area as you add and remove files like a magnetic disk. (I think it's a "file system" controller built into each flash device, whether a CF card or pen drive.). But, eventually they fail. It would be problematic to lose all the secret responses. Especially in a different country.


A almost posted this earlier, and now that some one brought it up, I guess I will. Flash or solid state media drives as I understand are considered one of the most unsecured disks because even if you erase it, they that same software that evens out your use of the drive also means that the data can be spread all over the drive in a predictable pattern. If you really want to kill a drive of any type melt it. Then on the other hand, they just recovered 99.9% of the data from a drive that blew up on the space shuttle.

As for protecting data, I keep a backup drive in a safe bolted to the floor with a USB cable that runs out of it and in to my computer. Nightly auto backups. Might stop theft of the data, but more importantly it will help protect the hard drive platter in the event of fire. I am not so concerned with people steeling my data, as I am about loosing my data. Most of my data is gibberish or has little value to anyone but me. You could say the encryption key is in my rather chaotic brain patterns.
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Re: Access to money in a US bank acccount

Postby El Zorro on Wed May 14, 2008 9:38 pm

Mark, thank you for the finanacial advice. I’ll add it to the bag of tricks I’m putting together. As a matter of fact, I was working on the laddering of CD’s already.

As for Clonezilla, I would trust my utility better because it’s custom made and, as I said, I’m constantly refining it. Cloning it’s just one of its many features. I’ve written many utilities in Assembly, Pascal and VB only because they are more versatile than anything I could get written by others since they are tailor-made to my needs.
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Re: Access to money in a US bank acccount

Postby MarkF on Fri May 16, 2008 8:04 pm

El Zorro wrote:I use partitions and different hard drives to scan passive OS installations for files that are harmful to my system or my privacy.


Don, earlier I mentioned Puppy Linux. I haven't looked at it for a couple years. For the last couple days I've played with the new 4.0 release. You might want to look at Puppy. It doesn't install to a hard disk like a normal OS. It installs to RAM from "squashed" files. This makes it more secure because if a hacker gets to your hard drive, all they find are .sfs files. If the intruder understands Puppy and squash files s/he could hack the squash file and modify something in /sbin or /usr. But, when you shut down, Puppy rewrites the .sfs files using what it has in RAM (overwriting whatever the intruder did).

That's a perfect environment to boot into from a USB drive (at untrusted computers). Another alternative is to run one of these within VMware Player (on Windows) just for web browsing. VMware can be configured to forget everything from a previous session each time it starts. There is a tool to mount VM virtual disks from Windows. Which means files could be transferred in/out of the VMware/Puppy environment. Or, have two virtual disks. One for use by Puppy as it's "system." And, another that can be mounted for persistent user data. Between Puppy's RAM disks (rewritten to hard disk as squash files) and VMware's optional non-persistence, nothing could get into your Windows system from surfing the web.

If you're using a good router I think the web is the only risk. If you read mail through a POP client, that could be a risk. But, you can read POP mail from a virtual Puppy machine too.

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