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Cashing Canadian Cashier Checks in Chile

Postby bdwillet on Tue Mar 25, 2008 2:16 pm

Hello Allchilesters,

I am an active volunteer for our local humane society here in Punta Arenas (La Protectora de los Animales, Punta Arenas, legal entity). We are always on the verge of closing because of lack of funds. So, I decided to dedicate my time on the tourists which has been very successful. I was recently sent 2 cashier checks from Canada in the name of our organization “Corporacion de los Derechos de los Animales”. One for $5000 Canadian and the other for $1000 Canadian. We have a “cuenta de Oro” in “BancoEstado” but cannot cash them. We have been told no banks in Chile will cash Canadian checks. Is this true? This is crazy. Methanex, one of our contributors to the local economy is a Canadian company. I was sending personal checks from my American bank with no problems. Is this true? Anybody have ideas?

Thanks!

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Re: Cashing Canadian Cashier Checks in Chile

Postby RWS on Tue Mar 25, 2008 2:55 pm

At one time, some embassies offered their citizens on-the-spot conversion of the homeland currency to the local. Perhaps the Canadian embassy in Santiago would offer something similar to this fine charity (after all, those are cashier's checks). If not, the economic attaché or counsellor to the legation might at least be able to suggest a good resolution.
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Re: Cashing Canadian Cashier Checks in Chile

Postby admin on Tue Mar 25, 2008 3:32 pm

it likely has more to do with the conversion. Most banks would have to convert to dollars then Canadian pesos to get their money, and the likely do not maintain close relationships with Canadian banks.

I just had a client wire money from Switzerland in to Chile, and the wire had to go through U.S. dollar exchange to get to pesos. The client even works at the Forex desk at major bank in Switzerland, and still could not find a bank that could do it. So, essentially no matter how something gets routed, it almost always has to go through a U.S. bank out of Chile. I could see the expense and hassle not being worth it to Banco Estado. Remember, checks by law are tied to credit in Chile.
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Re: Cashing Canadian Cashier Checks in Chile

Postby Vicki and Greg Lansen on Wed Mar 26, 2008 3:07 am

Well, this is just crazy!!!!! Call me stupid, but is the entire world tied to the US Dollar? By the way, I have a Chilean bank account, and received two checks that I tried to deposit in my account here, fully expecting that it would take several weeks, or even a few months for them to clear, but Nope! They would not take them.

Just crazy, I tell ya!

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Re: Cashing Canadian Cashier Checks in Chile

Postby admin on Wed Mar 26, 2008 3:47 am

yep, pretty much vick; but, you can visit the exchange rate thread for more than the fine details on that.

On the other hand, good luck trying to cash a check from the United States in the United States, let alone a check from Chile in the States.
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Re: Cashing Canadian Cashier Checks in Chile

Postby bdwillet on Wed Mar 26, 2008 2:24 pm

I should have known from the start it wouldn't be easy! Funny, when I was sending regular personal checks from the States, I was surprised how easy it was. On top of that, only a very small commission was charged. We had $50 wired from Europe and after commissions, fees, and exchange we recieved less then 30.
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Re: Cashing Canadian Cashier Checks in Chile

Postby longjonsilver on Mon Jul 14, 2008 1:17 pm

i would try to get a US$ cashiers check at your canadian bank. im sure that the caisse populaire in quebec will do it. your bank probably will too, if not then change banks before leaving canada.
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Re: Cashing Canadian Cashier Checks in Chile

Postby Gloria on Mon Jul 14, 2008 3:21 pm

We have a cashier's check for a decent amount almost to be clear on Wed. 16 of this month and I will report the outcome of such a transaction. I was told I just had to wait for it to clear ( 2 months to the date)...but will see what happens.....
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Re: Cashing Canadian Cashier Checks in Chile

Postby RWS on Mon Jul 14, 2008 4:48 pm

Gloria wrote:We have a cashier's check for a decent amount almost to be clear on Wed. 16 of this month and I will report the outcome of such a transaction. I was told I just had to wait for it to clear ( 2 months to the date)...but will see what happens.....

You were told to wait two months for a check to clear? That's astounding, regardless of the currency or location of the receiving bank!

Or did you mean to write that the cashier's check is two months old? If so, how long will you have waited for the deposited check to become good funds in the account of deposit?
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Re: Cashing Canadian Cashier Checks in Chile

Postby Gloria on Mon Jul 14, 2008 5:07 pm

The bank ( Banco de Chile ) will hold the check until it CLEARS FOR 2 WHOLE MONTHS, then it can be deposited inmediately to the account. It's not a joke when I say that I get "aceto" ( sour stomach) every time I go to the bank to do anything. Chilean banking absolutely SUCKS, it was then b4 I left and still now and it will never change. :evil:
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Re: Cashing Canadian Cashier Checks in Chile

Postby MarkF on Mon Jul 14, 2008 5:19 pm

Gloria wrote:The bank ( Banco de Chile ) will hold the check until it CLEARS FOR 2 WHOLE MONTHS, then it can be deposited immediately to the account.


Did you see the money come out of the originating (from) account substantially before those two months elapsed?

I'm curious what the break even point is between wire transfer and cashiers check (with 2 month wait). For example, if you earn 3% on $10k US, that's $25 a month. If the money came out of the originating account close to the start of those 2 months, you'd be out $50. At that point, a wire transfer looks better. (Especially if the originating account is Washington Mutual with no fee for originating international wire transfers). But, if it it didn't come out until the end of the 2 month wait, nothing lost.

Edit. I just realized that was a dumb question. The money comes out of the originating account when the check is created. So, that means $10k US is about the break even point between depositing a cashier check (two months lost interest), or paying the fees associated a wire transfer. (Plus or minus, depending on how much interest someone can earn, and whether they pay a wire transfer fee at the originating bank.).

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Re: Cashing Canadian Cashier Checks in Chile

Postby RWS on Mon Jul 14, 2008 8:30 pm

Your immediate misapprehension may actually illuminate, Mark. I very much doubt that the check really takes two months to process and clear (checks from the States to Buenos Aires take no more than two weeks; often, half that), so depositing an ordinary customer's check instead of the cashier's check might be better: the depositing bank runs no risk, as the funds aren't available to the customer 'til the check clears; but one saves the charges for the clearing bank's own check or for a wire transfer, and, best of all, one can be armed with information on the actual period for clearance -- the better to press one's point with the depositing bank, after the fact, for retroactive conversion or payment of interest.
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Re: Cashing Canadian Cashier Checks in Chile

Postby j. Ro on Tue Jul 15, 2008 12:42 am

Try talking to someone at ScotiaBank Sud Americano. It is a subsidiary of the Bank of Nova Scotia, a canadian bank (and the one I use, nothing like free withdrawls from my Canadian account when I am in Chile). They most likely have the closest ties to anyone in Canada and would probably be your best bet.

Only problem is that I have only seen them in Santiago and Vina/Valpo.
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Re: Cashing Canadian Cashier Checks in Chile

Postby MarkF on Tue Jul 15, 2008 12:06 pm

j. Ro wrote:Try talking to someone at ScotiaBank Sud Americano. It is a subsidiary of the Bank of Nova Scotia, a canadian bank (and the one I use, nothing like free withdrawls from my Canadian account when I am in Chile). They most likely have the closest ties to anyone in Canada and would probably be your best bet.


Not sure about that bank, but I had similar thoughts about Citibank in Santiago. I thought that would be an easy way to access a US Citibank account. I talked to them about it and they said there's nothing shared between the two banks except the name. No advantages. Everything works just like a non-Citibank bank interacting with a US Citibank. I was told the only way to get money would be to use the ATM machine out front.

I could have been told wrong. That was just my experience. The Canadian bank might be different.

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Re: Cashing Canadian Cashier Checks in Chile

Postby MarkF on Tue Jul 15, 2008 12:12 pm

RWS wrote:depositing an ordinary customer's check instead of the cashier's check might be better: the depositing bank runs no risk, as the funds aren't available to the customer 'til the check clears; but one saves the charges for the clearing bank's own check or for a wire transfer, and, best of all, one can be armed with information on the actual period for clearance -- the better to press one's point with the depositing bank, after the fact, for retroactive conversion or payment of interest.


I'll try that soon. I'll be surprised if they accept a personal check drawn on a foreign bank. For one thing, I suspect the underlying process is the same as a wire transfer. (Speculation: The check goes to the Chilean automated clearing house. The clearing house mails it to the US clearing house. The US clearing house processes it like any other ACH transaction. But, wires the money to the Chilean clearing house.).

If Chilean banks aren't required to accept such checks, I don't see what their motivation would be when it should end up costing as much as a wire transfer. That's why I thought it would be reasonable for them to sit on the funds for two months, to recoup their costs.

But, I'll try it.

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