Re: Water Quality

Postby greg~judy » Tue Jan 24, 2012 7:38 pm

we'll BUMP this old thread from a couple years back...
a recent Journal of Urology report just published...
fyi - fwiw
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Arsenic cancer risk still high decades later in Chile region

(Reuters Health) - People exposed to very high levels of arsenic in Chilean drinking water back in the 1950s and 60s are still showing a higher-than-normal risk of bladder cancer -- years after the arsenic problem was brought under control, a new study shows.

The findings are not surprising, researchers say, since the cancer would take decades to emerge.

But the results underscore the importance of continuing to screen high-risk people for bladder cancer, according to lead researcher Dr. Fernando Coz, a professor of urology at the Universidad de Los Andes in Santiago de Chile.

The study, reported in the Journal of Urology, focused on people in the Antofagasta region of Chile. In the 1950s and 60s, drinking water in the region became contaminated with high levels of arsenic.

Arsenic is semi-metallic element found in rock, soil, water and air. It is also released into the environment through industrial activities, and can be found in products like paints, dyes and fertilizers. High exposure has been linked to several cancers, including tumors of the bladder, liver and lungs.

In Antofagasta, a combination of factors led to a huge increase in drinking-water arsenic by the late-1950s: naturally high arsenic levels in the environment, heavy mining and a move to make two rivers the area's main drinking-water sources.

Arsenic concentrations reached 800 to 900 micrograms per liter (mcg/L) -- far above the current allowable limit of 10 micrograms per liter recommended by the World Health Organization (WHO) and the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency EPA).

The arsenic problem was first reported in 1971, which prompted the first water treatment plants to be set up in the area. Arsenic levels dropped sharply, though it took until about 1990 for levels to fall in line with WHO standards (which at the time allowed for more arsenic than the current standard).

But even two decades after the arsenic problem came under control, people in Antofagasta are showing high bladder cancer rates, Coz and his colleagues found.

Among the region's men in 2009, the rate was about 16 cases per 100,000. That compared with just under six per 100,000 for the rest of Chile.

There was a similar gap seen among women. In Antofagasta, the bladder cancer rate was 13.5 cases for every 100,000 women -- versus just 2.5 per 100,000 in the rest of Chile.

"Our observation shows that bladder cancer appears in high rates in the population that was exposed to arsenic during childhood" in the 50s and 60s, Coz told Reuters Health in an email.

On top of that, he said, they are developing bladder cancer earlier -- in their 50s and 60s, on average, rather than the typical age range of 60s and 70s.

None of that is surprising, according to Coz. High arsenic exposure in childhood or in the womb would lead to cancer decades down the road -- though possibly, as seen in Antofagasta, at an earlier-than-average age.

It's possible to screen for bladder cancer through urine tests, though routine screening is not recommended for the general public -- since there's not enough evidence that the possible benefits would outweigh the risks (like false-positive results).

But Coz said that people from Antofagasta known to have had high arsenic exposures as children should be screened.

He added, however, that the current findings apply only to that Chilean region. "We have no data regarding the risk of cancer if exposed to lower levels of arsenic," Coz said.

Potentially dangerous arsenic levels in drinking water are a major problem globally.

Researchers have estimated that about 140 million people worldwide drink water with arsenic levels above 10 micrograms per liter. Bangladesh has been among the hardest hit, with millions exposed to high levels of naturally occurring arsenic in well water.

But no one is sure if arsenic levels below the 10-microgram threshold are completely "safe." And researchers are still studying whether there could be health effects at those concentrations.

In the U.S., most public drinking-water supplies are well below the 10-microgram level.

Still, it's estimated that 13 million Americans live in areas where the public water supply exceeds that threshold. And unregulated private wells might also contain too much arsenic -- particularly in certain areas of the West, Midwest and New England where the groundwater contains high concentrations of the toxic metal.

Experts suggest that people have private well water tested for arsenic. If the level exceeds 10 micrograms per liter, it can be treated with special filtration systems.
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Re: Water Quality

Postby patagoniax » Tue Jan 24, 2012 10:12 pm

greg~judy wrote:we'll BUMP this old thread from a couple years back...
a recent Journal of Urology report just published...


Arsenic cancer risk still high decades later in Chile region


Perhaps you should cross-post to every thread for people living or planning to live from La Serena/Elqui area northward..... and particularly for those planning on private wells and gardens/orchards. And increase the emphasis that in some areas in the north it can be a significant factor in the air pollution as well as in the water and the garden soil.
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Re: Water Quality

Postby jehturner » Tue Jan 24, 2012 11:01 pm

I recently had the composition of the La Serena municipal water (from my kitchen tap) tested, with the following results. Unfortunately the lab I used doesn't have an arsenic test, but the benign mineral content may be of general interest. There are actually more minerals in my tap water than in Vital or Cachantun (shame about the chlorine).

    pH 7.8
    Est. dissolved Solids 469 PPM
    Electrical Conductivity 0.78 mmho/cm
    Cations 8.4 / Anions 8.3 me/L
    Sodium 53 PPM
    Potassium 3
    Calcium 91
    Magnesium 18
    Total Hardness as CaCO3 303
    Nitrate, NO3-N 1.4
    Sulfate, SO4-S 64
    Chloride 37
    Carbonate, CO3 <1
    Bicarbonate, HCO3 191
    Total Alkalinity as CaCO3 156
    Copper 0.04
Nice water for making amber-coloured ales :-).

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Re: Water Quality

Postby SlimDickins » Wed Jan 25, 2012 9:33 am

an interesting science article on simple filtering of arsenic from your water....

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/08/110831205923.htm
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Re: Water Quality

Postby greg~judy » Wed Jan 25, 2012 10:54 am

SlimDickins wrote:an interesting science article on simple filtering of arsenic from your water....

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/08/110831205923.htm

thanx for that S~D...
as a former organic chem student - g~ found this most interesting!
i.e. plastic bits + cysteine = arsenic magnet!

The thiol group also has a high affinity for heavy metals, so that proteins containing cysteine, such as metallothionein, will bind metals such as mercury, lead, and cadmium (and arsenic?) tightly.


Cysteine is found in most high-protein foods, including:
Animal sources: pork, sausage meat, chicken, turkey, duck, luncheon meat, eggs, milk, whey protein, ricotta, cottage cheese, yogurt
Plant sources: red peppers, garlic, onions, broccoli, brussels sprout, oats, granola, wheat germ, sprouted lentils


ok, ok... assuming you won't be putting food products in your bottle mix...
there are pure sources of L-Cysteine & N-Acetyl-L-Cysteine one can purchase...
BUT... please consider this...

"Detoxification of heavy metals. Cysteine is the key amino acid in metaloproteins. Metaloproteins are made in the liver and attach themselves to toxic metals in the bloodstream and carry them away for excretion. Note: The Heavy Metal Protocol is somewhat involved, also it takes awhile & it is not a good idea to take Cysteine by itself..."


as a trivia aside and fwiw... didja know this...?
Reducing toxic effects of alcohol
Cysteine has been proposed as a preventative or antidote for some of the negative effects of alcohol, including liver damage and hangover. It counteracts the poisonous effects of acetaldehyde, which is the major by-product of alcohol metabolism and is responsible for most of the negative aftereffects and long-term damage associated with alcohol use (but not the immediate effects of drunkenness). Cysteine supports the next step in metabolism, which turns acetaldehyde into the relatively harmless acetic acid. In a rat study, test animals received an LD50 dose of acetaldehyde. Those that received cysteine had an 80% survival rate; when both cysteine and thiamine were administered, all animals survived.
Unfortunately...
There is not yet direct evidence for or against its effectiveness in humans who consume alcohol at normal levels.

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Re: Water Quality

Postby jehturner » Wed Jan 25, 2012 11:41 am

greg~judy wrote:
Reducing toxic effects of alcohol
Cysteine has been proposed as a preventative or antidote for some of the negative effects of alcohol, including liver damage and hangover. It counteracts the poisonous effects of acetaldehyde, which is the major by-product of alcohol metabolism and is responsible for most of the negative aftereffects and long-term damage associated with alcohol use (but not the immediate effects of drunkenness). Cysteine supports the next step in metabolism, which turns acetaldehyde into the relatively harmless acetic acid. In a rat study, test animals received an LD50 dose of acetaldehyde. Those that received cysteine had an 80% survival rate; when both cysteine and thiamine were administered, all animals survived.
Unfortunately...
There is not yet direct evidence for or against its effectiveness in humans who consume alcohol at normal levels.

Have done that. It certainly accelerates recovery from a hangover, though it also feels a bit like you're processing it in overdrive. Weird stuff.
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Re: Water Quality

Postby patagoniax » Wed Jan 25, 2012 11:53 am

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There is no shortage of technologies for dealing with arsenic in water supplies. The devil is in the details, and the expense and discipline for doing it right. Those details include recognition of the problem over the potential term of exposure (aquifer chemical composition can change over time, sometimes dramatically during a short period), competent installation of an appropriately durable and effective treatment system (in Chile???) and some effective mechanism to prevent untreated or unsuitably treated water from entering the potable water system when the treatment fails (what the health/safety folks call fail-safe, vs fail-deadly). That last step is sometimes the most challenging, and in some treatment plants the arsenic scrub monitoring may not detect unacceptable levels for a considerable period of time. Science-fair demos with plastic bottles and duct-tape are nice crowd-pleasers, but often don't get beyond step one. And don't forget that arsenic and other nastiness in certain regions affect not only the water but also the fruit and vegetables grown in that area, and particulates in the air.

There is an unfortunately widespread degree of quackery and malfeasance by government agencies in this area, and not just in Chile. I was working some years ago inside CMAFS/NORAD when there was a toxic lead release into the air distribution system (obviously something you don't want underground, or inside the Mountain in this case). The contractor health and safety guy specified the appropriate test but the US government agency decided against it, perhaps due to incompetence or to achieve more favourable results. They used a HUD lead test, which is biased to protecting crawling children inside residences rather than missile-warning officers inside a C4I facility. They got the low-exposure results they wanted, kept the contractor health and safety guy from the government meetings and monitoring, and generally rode roughshod over the whole exposure episode. Judging by the level of responsibility that we have seen in Chilean government agencies and line operations, I would frankly not place a great deal of trust in their ability to consistently scrub arsenic from municipal water supplies. As noted elsewhere, Chile also has a reputation for conveniently setting higher allowable toxic-exposure levels (including arsenic) than are recommended by international standards, in some cases double the limits that the civilised nations specify.
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Re: Water Quality

Postby Reunumation » Wed Jan 25, 2012 1:11 pm

A couple of years back I saw an article in a science magazine about the possibility of getting rid of arsenic in the water with magnetite powder.
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