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Re: bring an animal into chile

Postby admin on Sat Mar 15, 2008 10:49 am

I have been traveling around the World for most of life, and with only one or two exceptions have I ever found the cheapest ticket to be the cheapest way to get some where. The cheapest way to get somewhere is the fastest way to get there (it may not even be the most direct). By that I mean, if for example you buy a ticket that has multiple layovers for 1-5 hours and takes 2-3 days to get to your destination (say London to Santiago), but the ticket only cost say $400 US, you will end up spending another $200 to $300 even just buying food in an airport, a bottle of water, something to read. Let alone if you want to have a real meal and so on. If for say $600 US you could have had a one shot 14 hour flight to Santiago, and landed with your wits still about you (and a living animal).

With animals, don't screw around. You need the shortest and most direct flight you can find, or you may have a dead animal on your hands by the time you get there. Travel is very very stressful for animals, especially if they can not ride with their owners. Just think of how noisy an airport is to us. Imagine you have super hearing (and smell) and are listening to a 100 jet engines wine at once. You would likely go insane if you had to hear what a dog or cat hears at an airport or on an airplane. I am rather surprised they come out the other end in such good shape as they do.

The biggest mistake that people make in international travel is dropping in to a new country, city, language, and culture unrested. Book a place in advance for at least the first night. Your biggest loss of money will occur in your first 48 hours in any country as you get your bearings and make costly and sometimes dangerous mistakes. First order of business is to get some sleep and a good meal before trying to do anything of significance. Establish a base of operations. Even if that cost you a bit of money for that first night, it will not be nearly as expensive as wondering around a strange city at night begging to be robbed as you look for a hotel, set down luggage and forget it, or end up in the wrong area. Your judgment will be impaired, plan for that. That means you have your major expenses controlled by booking something in advance, or knowing where to go and how much it is going to cost when you land. Being cheap, often does not save money in that first day or two.
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Re: bring an animal into chile

Postby jalundberg on Sat Mar 15, 2008 11:42 am

No problems with getting a place to stay; girlfriend's mom is a real estate agent and will have a furnished apartment ready for us when we arrive. Not to mention I spent 4 months in Viña in 2006 and I am returning to Viña so I should be alright with getting around the city. My only concern is about that cat, it's going to be a fairly long journey with an 11 hour lay-over in Miami followed by a direct flight to Santiago. Hopefully the vet will enabel us to sedate the cat thoroughly enough so that she'll sleep through the majority of the journey. Has anyone had an experience where an animal had health problems after an international flight?
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Re: bring an animal into chile

Postby admin on Sat Mar 15, 2008 5:38 pm

Never had health problems, but I did have a dog escape from a cargo hold at the Denver airport once coming in from Mexico many years ago. Long story. Let's just say the DEA, customs, air port security, and anyone else with gun was not very happy because the dog was small and fast. We had tied a bunch of white baggage tags on its neck with contact information in English and Spanish in the event it got lost, and from a distance they looked like bags of coke. They would have shot the dog, if it was not so fast and running in between a bunch of planes refueling.

Finally, some dog lover that was a mechanic and was not chasing the dog simply patted the seat of his cart and called him. The dog took that as an invitation to escape all the yelling guys chasing it, and jumped up on the seat and rode in to the terminal with him. The guy that brought him in told us he had seen a few get loose and end up getting hit by planes landing and taking off. The customs guys told us that they regularly had people train dogs to run drugs that way.
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Re: bring an animal into chile

Postby jalundberg on Sat Mar 15, 2008 6:30 pm

unfortunately I just found out that American Airlines won't accept animals if the actual or forecasted temperature at any location on the itinerary is above 85F or below 45F; considering Miami where I get my connecting flight (and that I'll be traveling in late May) looks like I'm going to have to find another way to get the cat down there. Any ideas???
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Re: bring an animal into chile

Postby admin on Sun Mar 16, 2008 11:14 am

try lan airlines. They have 2 animal limit per flight, so you need to make a reservation with them in advance. Besides, I think they give better service than American Airlines. They are part of one world airlines, so you can make bookings through american airlines. You will need to do a call in I believe for the cat's reservation.


That is what American Airlines gets for charging me for drinks on my last flight, and then not accepting anything but U.S. dollars on an inbound flight to Chile. :twisted: :lol:

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Re: bring an animal into chile

Postby jalundberg on Sun Mar 16, 2008 12:38 pm

Well, we ended up having my girlfriend take the cat with her from Miami to Santiago with Avianca. Anyone flown Avianca before? Any information about them would be much appreciated.
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Re: bring an animal into chile

Postby Vicki and Greg Lansen on Sun Mar 16, 2008 1:10 pm

Someone asked about pet health problems after an international flight...our pet had no physical health problems, but he was completely out of his mind by the time he came off the conveyor belt in his crate. Completely insane. So, as Charles mentioned, be very, very careful and cautious uncrating your pet even if the pet was sedated. Max is still insane, after almost five months. It's too bad you can't carry-on the cat. Why is that?
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Re: bring an animal into chile

Postby Valdivia on Sun Mar 16, 2008 1:26 pm

Info from LAN site.

Pets and animals
Transport conditions:
- LAN transports domesticated animals including dogs, cats, and small, decorative birds. These animals must fall within the legal limitations set by he country they are entering. Proper documentation is also required.

- These animals will be kept in the aircraft's cargo area. Only helper animals will be allowed on in the cabin and then only if the route allows it.

- Other types of animals (and unaccompanied pets) will be transported via LAN's cargo department, LANCARGO.

- Pet transport requests must be made by contacting our Call Center or at a sales office at least 48 hours before the flight. Permission will be given depending on the type of plane used on the given route.

- These animals must be at least eight weeks old.

- The transport of pets and animals is subject to an excess baggage charge, with the exception of seeing-eye dogs, helper monkeys accompanied by their owner, and rescue dogs (For more information regarding this charge, contact our Call Center).
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Re: bring an animal into chile

Postby Valdivia on Sun Mar 16, 2008 1:28 pm

"helper monkeys accompanied by their owner"
That is a new one on me, anyone seen a helper monkey?
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Re: bring an animal into chile

Postby RWS on Sun Mar 16, 2008 2:06 pm

Cook, push wheelchairs, draw water?

Seriously, I've never heard of them before. Let us know if you find out what they are!
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Re: bring an animal into chile

Postby jalundberg on Sun Mar 16, 2008 2:10 pm

[quote="Vicki and Greg Lansen"] It's too bad you can't carry-on the cat. Why is that?[/quote]

American Airlines (and I assume basically all airlines) doesn't let animals ride in the cabin on international flights. We are taking the cat in the cabin from Minneapolis to Miami, but from then on the cat has to be flown as checked luggage. I'm just hoping they treat the animals with some degree of care, but I fear that may be a lofty wish.
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Re: bring an animal into chile

Postby RWS on Sun Mar 16, 2008 5:19 pm

Some airlines do allow a mildly sedated cat to travel in the passengers' compartment. My brother and I have each, in this century (and keeping the cat in a small carrier under the seat as "carry-on baggage"), been able to bring a cat between the United States and western Europe aboard Lufthansa, United, and other lines. Unless these have changed their internal regulations within the past two or three years -- or Chile forbid flying animals into the country in passengers' compartments (despite a plethora of laws and regulations, I doubt that the southern republic has quite gone so mad with law-making as the Big Sister of the North!) -- you should be able to find an airline that will allow you to treat your cat humanely.

No matter what, do not commit the poor animal to the hold of the aircraft. Such torture would be cruel if inflicted upon an understanding human being. Unless you speak the appropriate feline language and can somehow both explain and excuse the action (I wouldn't see saving money as an excuse), there's no way that you could be other than devilish in subjecting the uncomprehending cat to seemingly endless hours of physical pain and psychological terror. Better to give the cat to a kind and loving family before leaving the country.
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Re: bring an animal into chile

Postby admin on Sun Mar 16, 2008 9:42 pm

My mother in law is a Gringa that has lived in Chile for around 14 years. She has a prized Japanese Chin that she carts back and forth from the States. The dog has a retail value of somewhere between $10,000 and $20,000 US. Both her and the airlines are in agreement that it is best the dog rides in a small carrier under her seat (it is about the size of medium size cat), rather than bouncing around in the cargo hold. I am not sure what airline she uses for that, but I'll ask.

It is more fragile than a cat (chins have nasal and breathing problems).
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Re: bring an animal into chile

Postby bezaj on Sun Apr 13, 2008 3:42 pm

lan chile, air france and lufthansa do allow pets up to 4 (some to 8) kg, which should be in a crate max dimensions of hand luggage (50x40x25 or something). i believe all major air companies have similar policy.

i'm working hard on how to get a 12kg dog in cabin. there are many signs that i'll have to go by ship which is not a lot easier. maybe i could get a very official certificate that i have a very dangerous mental disease and only my helper dog makes me calm down. unfortunately she is not able to pretend i'm blind.
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Re: bring an animal into chile

Postby RWS on Mon Apr 14, 2008 9:43 am

Bezaj, should you sail to Chile, please do post details of your arrangements and experience of your actual voyage. This may prove better for me than flying, but I'm some months away from beginning arrangements.

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