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I need a clarification about the RUT and RUN

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I need a clarification about the RUT and RUN

Postby Gloria on Sat Feb 16, 2008 12:59 pm

As a chilean citizen I was given at the consulate in Phila only the RUT, were they suppose to give me as well the RUN or is one or the other?.I'm somewhat confused about it.If I also need a RUN I would like to deal with it now b4 going to Chile, I made friends with the Chancellor :D so I don't think it would be a difficult thing to get.A little "palanca" is always good :wink:
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Re: I need a clarification about the RUT and RUN

Postby tombrad2 on Sat Feb 16, 2008 4:31 pm

Gloria, in Chile we use the same number for many purposes: RUN (ID card), RUT (tax card), passport and driving licence all share the same number. Probably they give you the RUT (taxes card).

I doubt that you can obtain RUN (cedula de identidad) from consulate or embassy, this is managed by Servicio de Registro Civil and has a lot of security features so is not probable that they have the gadgetry required to issue in consulates, probably you has to come to Chile and obtain it in any Registro Civil office. Anyway your chilean passport has the same validity as identification
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Re: I need a clarification about the RUT and RUN

Postby Gloria on Sat Feb 16, 2008 4:41 pm

Ok, perfecto, one less thing to worry about.Gracias Tom!
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Re: I need a clarification about the RUT and RUN

Postby Vicki and Greg Lansen on Mon Feb 18, 2008 5:49 pm

Hi Gloria! Being a total doofus, I was able to apply for and get a RUN - from start to finish, a little less than two months. I needed a RUN to open a bank account and internet, but only a RUT to get a cell phone (what's that all about! It's pay as you go anyway). I went to the civil registry in the nearest town, provided passport, credit card, marriage certificate and I don't know what else, not much, and some passport photos. It was fairly easy, even considering my horrible Spanish. You should have absolutely NO problem. One question, are you going to move here and do you floor cloths? I love them, they are wonderful.

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Re: I need a clarification about the RUT and RUN

Postby Gloria on Mon Feb 18, 2008 8:22 pm

Hi Vicky,
It's so good to hear from you and I want to thank you so much for the info.I already have the RUT but I never heard about the RUN and I was wondering what it was all about. I'm trying to "plug" myself once again as much as I can to make it all very smooooothly, if you know what I mean.
As far as my floor cloths is concern, ABSOLUTELY! ( thank you for the compliments by the way) I have all intention to continue my work there.Making them is where my passion is therefore I have an entire skid loaded with my floor canvases and lots of supplies....I'll be painting my life away :lol: and looking forward to it.We will be settling in Valdivia, how far are you from there?
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Re: I need a clarification about the RUT and RUN

Postby PickyPicky on Tue Mar 18, 2008 8:10 pm

I'm back from my appointment at the Chilean consulate in NYC to get my passport.

After reading all the posts regarding the RUT/RUN issue, I decided to ask the "secretario consular" who was taking care of my passport. I ended up more confused than before!

According to him, everybody in Chile has a RUN. Originally it was called numero de celula de identidad, and at some point, it became the RUN. I guess this must have happened after I left (1978) since my old passport doesn't mention the RUN, only "numero de celula de identidad". By the way, this number, at least in my case, was automatically converted to a RUN by adding a dash and an extra number.

In any case, when I asked specifically about the RUT, the secretario told me that you only get a RUT if you want to act as "entidad de negocios", in other words if you are acting in the name of your business. I told him I thought the RUT, rol unico tributario, had something to do with paying taxes, and that it was my belief I'd need it in order to buy a house, for example. He got a little snippy and told me no, it was only if you were acting as a business, and that in any case, the consulate didn't issue RUT's. Since I'm basicaly a whimp, I dropped it at that point.

There was no problem having RUN's issued for my kids (again no RUT's) and since they had been "inscritos" in my Chilean passport at birth, they are eligible for Chilean passports as well.

Now the question is: do I need a RUT also? And if so, what for?

Thanks in advance for any help!
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Re: I need a clarification about the RUT and RUN

Postby Gloria on Tue Mar 18, 2008 9:00 pm

Look at the answer above explained by Tombrad.When I applied for my passport, I was given at the Consulate the RUT. In fact, I still have my cedula de identidad I had b4 I left Chile.It was a little green booklet with a whole bunch of numbers.If I were you, I wouldn't worry about it.
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Re: I need a clarification about the RUT and RUN

Postby PickyPicky on Tue Mar 18, 2008 9:13 pm

Gracias Gloria!

I feel totally stupid, since I'd actually read that post PRIOR to going to the consulate with all my questions! My only excuse is that I'm totally exhausted - had to get up at 4am to make to the consulate my 11a!
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Re: I need a clarification about the RUT and RUN

Postby tombrad2 on Tue Mar 18, 2008 9:16 pm

Indeed is not a problem, if you are chilean the number is exactly the same for ID card, drivers licence, Passport and tax purposes so, having any of those document you have automatically asigned a RUT number (rol unico tributario, for tax purposes), physically the RUT card is almost worthless because most of tax and billing operations are done online.

Obtain a RUT is relevant for foreigners only, because they need a Chilean id number for tax purposes in case of buy a property or a car. For Chilean citizens, having passport or ID card RUN, you dont need the physical RUT card except if you are involved in business with trinutary tramitation
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Re: I need a clarification about the RUT and RUN

Postby admin on Tue Mar 18, 2008 11:52 pm

I could almost set my watch by how often we get this question.

Bottom line for a foreigner it does not matter. The number you get from the IRS (your rut number), will be used for all other purposes including your RUN number or ID number. It even says RUT on your identity card now when you finally get residency.

There is whole section on it in the the Chile Wiki http://www.allchile.net/chilewiki
and there are some articles about it on http://www.allsouthernchile.com Both where written by my wife who is an attorney.

A word of warning to everyone. The consulates are NOT authorities on anything and they are not attorneys. The people that work there are not qualified to give legal advice, are rarely correct when they do, and in the rare case they are qualified (you won't get to talk to one of them), they have no official authority to do anything. The authority will ultimately be with ministry in charge of whatever it you want to do for example the IRS for your RUT number, civil registry, or immigration for immigration issues. What ever they tell you is in no way official, and is subject to change in Chile.

They are not even the final authority when trying to do simple things like notarize and legalize a document outside the country. We still have to run them through the foreign ministry once they arrive in Chile to be authorized. We have seen so many people get themselves in to a mess taking advice from the desk clerks at their local Chilean consulate. I would say about 30 to 40% of all the documents we get from the consulates have errors and mistakes, and we deal with dozens of them around the World every day.

We have also seen people have their immigration applications rejected, because they listened to the advice of the consulates.

They are under staffed in many places around the World, in favor of the ambassadors wife getting antique French furniture in her house. For example, Switzerland only has two people working the front desk handling notarization. Yet, every single banking transaction and other legal document involving Chile must be run through that office. Switzerland? With all the copper trading going on, and likely half the countries GDP has to use that office but there are only two people because it is really expensive to maintain staff in Switzerland.
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Re: I need a clarification about the RUT and RUN

Postby Gloria on Wed Mar 19, 2008 12:46 am

Yes Charles, but remember, Picky and myself are not foreigners....(well..semi..) therefore we have to rely on the consulates.We have papers that proves we were born in Chile but we have been absent for so many years that it's like starting all over again and we are totally clueless in so many ways about legalities.
I already told myself...." self, :D when you travel to Chile, do as the chileans do...if they ask you for the passport you know which one to show...the one with the condor, not the eagle, (that one you have to hide :D ) If they ask you for the RUT and you don't have it...RUN or play dumb" :D . My latest 1040 were signed here by the notary and later sent to the chilean consulate to be "legalized"; there they were stamped and signed by the chancellor, if they are not valid in Chile, it's not my fault, however I must done something right 'cause I was able to open a bank account with credit cards and all the trimmings in Santiago. Meanwhile, I'll relax and enjoy.
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Re: I need a clarification about the RUT and RUN

Postby Vicki and Greg Lansen on Wed Mar 19, 2008 3:30 am

Hi Picky and Gloria....I read some good advice and comments on this thread, one being that embassies and consulates don't always know what's what, and the other being relax, and enjoy. I would add, Leap and a net will appear! Since you were both born here, and I assume have great Spanish, you will be fine. How excited are you?!?!?!?!

Simply put, the RUT is something anyone can get with nothing more than a passport, and it can be used to buy property, car, things like that. The RUN is needed for a bank account, and for me, a great impression (goofy gringa can't speak Spanish, but she's got a RUN). I got my RUN without having a RUT. Greg and I took our passports to the Civil Registry, along with passport-size photos, marriage certificate (no birth certificates, no authentication crap) and the person in charge helped us fill out the application, made copies of our passports, our credit card and proof of income (I assume for extranjeros, but maybe for everyone?). After the office processed the paperwork, I think it was just a few weeks, we went back and picked up a certificate, took it to the Immigration folks, they did something, and we took it back to the Civil Registry and had our photos, fingerprints done electronically at the Registry office, and three weeks later, our RUN cards were in Futa to be picked up. So we were able to get a bank account, and don't have to leave Chile every 90 days on a Visa run. The only difficulties for us were the almost 4 hour trip from Futa to Chaiten, and our lack of Spanish. The staff at the Civil Registry in Chaiten is to be commended for their patience and kind attention, and courtesy. Just the best.
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Re: I need a clarification about the RUT and RUN

Postby Valdivia on Wed Mar 19, 2008 8:36 am

Vicky,
Which type of residency visa were you able to get without having the 1 year of temporay ?
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Re: I need a clarification about the RUT and RUN

Postby admin on Wed Mar 19, 2008 8:54 am

no, don't get me wrong the consulates and embassies are necessary evils. If your local one is good, your are lucky. If you call 20 around the world with the same question, you will likely get 20 very different answers. They are best dealt with, when you already know what it is they are suppose to be doing and can watch for errors.

By the way, if you where just sending a document to a bank, then the last legalization steps in Chile are likely not needed. At the end of the day, it is often the end person (e.g. notary, registry, or bank in Chile) that will make the final decision about if they will accept it or not. For banking purposes, they likely did not care because of the sort of contract involved.
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