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Chile the next japan?

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Re: Chile the next japan?

Postby tombrad2 on Mon Feb 25, 2008 7:38 pm

It´s true, very small niches at global level may be a big fortune for individuals. The good thing in Chile is that you still have chance to become millionaire in one generation, not being son of millionaire. I have met some, but you need good sense of opportunity, hard work and many things that are not abundant in we chileans. Some remarkable is that almost any big fortune in Chile was made by inmigrants or their sons (bad luck, I am grandson so my blood is too diluted :D )
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Re: Chile the next japan?

Postby Gene Gindling on Mon Feb 25, 2008 8:31 pm

Tomas, You too could get something going. Or maybe partner with someone. You would be invaluable to an outsider I would think...
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Re: Chile the next japan?

Postby tombrad2 on Mon Feb 25, 2008 8:41 pm

I´m too lazy to make money by myself, remember my diluted blood :D
Anyway, as I told you, I like to help and know many people in this land of "pitutos", if you need an advise or contact just ask me I will gladly help to you or anyone who need it
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Re: Chile the next japan?

Postby RWS on Mon Feb 25, 2008 9:32 pm

That's a more satisfying life, Tomás -- helping others without expectation of earthly reward -- than grabbing all that one can grasp. Good for you, and good for Chile.
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Re: Chile the next japan?

Postby tombrad2 on Mon Feb 25, 2008 9:36 pm

:lol: Easy life!
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Re: Chile the next japan?

Postby Asean on Sat May 17, 2008 10:34 am

I come across some manga designers in chile that are quite good..how;s the anime industry in Chile like?
Would Japan outsourced their anime work in chile like what they did to south korea?
Can Chilean designers reached this standard?http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nomq4pahwuQ&feature=related
Jus imagine manga production from Santiago :mrgreen:
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Re: Chile the next japan?

Postby admin on Sat May 17, 2008 12:00 pm

Chile lacks a couple big things that lead to say a country being considered for something like G8 membership.

1. Lack of entrepreneurial inclination in the general population.
There are some, but limited. Often those that are in business are merely following someone else lead, and copying poorly the idea.

2. Technology
The state of technology is abysmal. I have covered this in depth related to computers, but it applies to other areas. No one here is doing any real ground breaking research on mass (yea there are couple out there) in technological related fields, and even basic adoption by major corporations and the government are years behind the rest of the World. At some points in Chilean society it is over a decade behind or more.

I went out yesterday to buy a couple simple and common computer parts. There was basically none in Temuco. I wanted a simple computer case to build a new server and a couple other things. There was only like 3 variations in the entire town (I went to every store), and they were pure garbage. They were out of just about everything else also. All the computer stores basically had owners sitting behind the desk, as they have eliminated their staffs. All saying, next week we will have them. Yes, one of the largest and fastest growing cities in Chile essentially does not have any basic computer components. Forget any exotic things like blade servers and so on. They simply do not exist, and chances are no one here would know what to do with them if they did. I found one gigbit network card in Temuco and was quoted 27,000 pesos (over $60). I can buy one in the States for around $5. Forget trying to find a switch or router to go with it.

Ordering from Santiago was no better. Place and order, go to the bank, fax the order, then two weeks and a dozen calls later they finally admit they do not have what I ordered either. I try changing the order a dozen times, and each time they come back and report they did not have that either. I would say something approaching 50% of all computer components I have bought in Chile have either died, failed, or have some other problem with them, and I know what to look for in a computer component. What does the average joe do?

3. Education
Chile has a large literate population and overall fairly good coverage on the basic level, but higher education is lacking. Research is just now starting to be taught and emphasized. My wife is teaching research methods and introduction to critical thinking to 4th and 5th year law students that should have learned it at least in their first year or earlier. She more or less has unlimited job security with the Universities now that it has been made a requirement because there are almost no qualified professors that can teach it. They have been requiring a thesis for years, and no one has taught them how to write one or conduct research.

4. Services
We all know the problem with that. In general Chilean companies in the service industry treat service as a product. Like they were selling objects. They completly miss the point.
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Re: Chile the next japan?

Postby Asean on Sat May 17, 2008 12:04 pm

Chilean manga designers are good..Santiago should develop the creative sector like tokyo and seoul...
It's a pity but maybe Chile is destined for other great things in our world after oil decline sinks in
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Re: Chile the next japan?

Postby Ignite on Sun May 18, 2008 2:12 am

we need ambition, and WE CAN be self dependent regarding ENERGY, look at our population

"Chile's 2002 census reported a population of 15,116,435. Its growth has been declining since the early 1990s, due to a decreasing birth rate. By 2050 the population is expected to reach approximately 20.2 million."

20MILLION BY 2050!!!
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Re: Chile the next japan?

Postby admin on Sun May 18, 2008 5:02 am

the population is what Chile has going for and against it. The population is small, so the problems are manageable, but on the other hand it is hard to really build rapidly in to some sort of industrial power house with such a small pool of talent to start with.

I think Chile's best move is to work towards being one of these countries where talent is out sourced to other countries. Kind of like those small middle eastern countries where almost no one from the country really does the work. This is all assuming Chile can become sufficiently rich some day to afford that, but something along those lines. Perhaps a super investment gateway to the rest of South America. It has the stability to do what other countries can not.

All of this though hinges on education. Chile needs to be devoting money and resources to its education system at all levels.
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Re: Chile the next japan?

Postby Asean on Sun May 18, 2008 6:31 am

hi spencer,
Unless Chile has crude oil like dubai, it wiser to develop their talent base at the domestic level than to depend too much on foreign talents. However hopefully Chile do not end up like japan in her anti foreigner stance an account of a japanese wife and gaijin is told:


Recently I, the J-wife, and our three kids moved to Nagoya for my job. We have 8, 6 and 2 year olds. Up until now, the only stuff my kids have had to put up with have been those dumb "haaafu ha kawaii! atashi mo hoshii naa!" comments that certain sections of the female population seem to feel the urge to utter.

However, recently the 8 year old has been racially bullied and abused at his school and local soccer club. He has been called "gaijin kusai" and "hakujin oni" (white devil?) by a couple of kids. This is in front of the homeroom teacher and other parents. At his soccer club a couple of players always yell out "gaijin ni ki o tsukero!" whenever he comes near them to make a tackle. Again, this in front of the referee and other parents, and nobody does a thing. Some even smirk, bastards.

Perhaps the worst case was when his soccer club had to change plans for the hotel they were going to stay at on their tour. Apparently the owner of the place they were originally going to stay atoperated a kind of informal 'no gaijin' policy at his hotel/onsen resort, and my son was judged to be too foreign looking by the team manager.

I know the west is no racial paradise, but at least there you can see some kind of 'civil society' in place to fight racial discrimination.You can see laws, societies, groups, campaigns, etc. in operation that challenge racists and overt discrimination. In this country, all you get is 'shouganai, koko ha nihondakara ne..."

I have taken this issue up with teachers and parents at the PTA, but most people just ignore you, while others overtly challenge you with the usual Japan-apologia crap "Well this is an island country, so what can you expect? If you are that bothered, go and live in a multi-cultural country."
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Re: Chile the next japan?

Postby Asean on Sun May 18, 2008 6:36 am

One of the reasons why Japan can never attract enough talent to compete with China and USA...
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