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el puelche wrote:.....the more interesting fact of a single seemingly small event...I have thought about it a lot, and I believe it comes down to a moment of most likely a few seconds....the length of time for a nod, a glance a brief, extremely brief....a handshake is too long...its a pause...an erudite agreement of eyes and a sigh met with a tight lipped and grim, flat smile..shared by two citizens...in a limosine, a train car...an office...a courtroom....a sidewalk...a bar-b-que get together...the hallway of a home, at the end of a cocktail party....that launched what we all live today and what will determine how we live tomorrow and 10 years from now...everything that we are now goes back to that single, seemingly small moment...when was it?


p out

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Ah, the Tipping Point. Indeed, when was it? Some say the Iraq war but I think that's too simple, and is just the result of a deeper problem that began long ago, or was it with the Neoconservative movement and the disciples of Leo Strauss, Harvard and Yale MBA's, or was it something FDR did and those darned liberals and democrats?

My brother is a fan of neoconsevatism, loved Nixon, Reagan, both Bushes, hated the Clinton in between, and will vote for McCain. Wonder how that's working out for him?

Vicki and Greg Lansen wrote:Ah, the Tipping Point. Indeed, when was it? Some say the Iraq war but I think that's too simple . . . .

I agree. I tend to think that it may have come some time in the 1990s or very early in this century. Perhaps it was in the response to "nine-eleven".

. . . . or was it something FDR did . . . ? . . . .

Certainly activities of the federal government in the 1930s, our American fascist period, put us solidly on this path; but we could have gotten off any time thereafter, even if doing so would have been more and more difficult.

Hmmmmm.... I think what I am talking about is for more mature than issues that we have going on today...9/11 is minor compared to what we are looking at...I am talking about 2 to 5 people that sold out all of us for their own gain...it has little to do with democrats and republicans and everything to do with raw power, money and advantage...you could say that there was this and that, setting it all up to happen...sure, of course, everything builds one on the other....but there was one moment that the rain fell on one side of the mountain and the next moment it fell on the other....who were they and when was that decisive moment...as I said it was a single moment that took less than the time for a handshake to seal.....I believe it to be in the last year of Eisenhower's administration and the first year of Kennedy's(I am not saying the two had even anything to do with it directly, but I think they <saw> it happen)....it wasn't a tipping point...a tipping point to me assumes that there is an even weight on each side that is essentialy equal...a detente of all things that made up our country, pushing and pulling but maintaining an even stance...a teeter-totter....I see it as something different,,,the usa was an upward trend and steady...nothing compared to it, before not after nor since...the sino-soviet threat was a farce...but a farce held to be a threat to maintain everything moving forward on an even upward trend...by now, on that same trajectory, we would be un-attainable by anyone...and we thougtht we were to some extent...but now we know its not the case...someone sold us out....we are looking for a handshake...


p out.


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Hmmm. Are you sure some of us are mature enough to accept what you will eventually reveal?

Self-sponsored expats of the very very free thinking type though may be more than ready.

I am.

eeukypat...molte interesante...very clever of you, very, very clever...but I think its a spelling error on my part...inotherwords...what goes on today has been maturing for a long, long time and its not just 9/11 that has brought it into the open..and so I go ...gently pulling the clean sheets from the clothes line...one by one, til I know its dry...

"I am what I am..."
Popeye, 1938.

P out...


...look for the handshake, baby....


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Leo Krauss, Wolfowittz? Back in the 70's. A bitter, rainy Sunday in Chicago. It's March, and a wicked wind whips Lake Michigan into a frenzy. A nicotine, stale beer-stained bar with sticky tables called Mick's Place. A cab pulls up, a hooded figure steps out into the oil-slick gutter, up onto the sidewalk, looks both ways, then ducks into the tavern where he is greeted by Coltrane on the jukebox, and his old friend. A little chuckle, half-heartedly. A couple of tepid draught beers, something mid-western. A list of names, the ones who will be "safe". The connections, the faithful. A couple bucks slapped on the table to cover the tab. The pool tables crack in the background. Someone racks up again. One man leaves, the other waits. Elvis on the jukebox now as the wind picks up and rains comes sideways against the window. Then, when ten minutes have passed, he too leaves. The fate of the country is sealed.

Haaa!!!!...excellent Vicki, love it...truly it was something like that I think...sounds like a screenplay...dibs, and I have the electronic back up on this post as long as Charles gets the time right at least on one part of the planet...found this in general terms for state o the states...

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/23/busin ... 0&emc=eta1


lates,

p out.


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Or, maybe it was something like this....

http://www.archive<dot>org/details/ThePowerOfNightmares

Vicki

Certainly activities of the federal government in the 1930s, our American fascist period, put us solidly on this path; but we could have gotten off any time thereafter, even if doing so would have been more and more difficult.

Why stop there. We all know Bush and FDR got their executive office balls from Lincoln and the reconstruction of the South. Marshal law with troops on the streets, suspension of habeas corpus, the rest of the constitution, and so on are not all that original. Don't forget the concentration camps on American soil for and by Americans. You see, everyone seems to think FDR was some sort of dictator or king. Lincoln was the real deal. The good Bushies love to sight Lincoln as an excuse for just about anything they might want to do.

The wonder is that somehow history has slowly been rewritten to make Lincoln a hero, when his deeds (and at times his motives) would have easily taken the Pepsi challenge against Saddam Hussein, Hitler, and the other nasties of history. Wonder how Bush will look in a 100 years?

Agreed how about going back further and examining the Sedition Acts and the crushing of the Whiskey and Shays Rebellions with Federal troops. Or how about all those signed treaties with the Indios hidden in the National Archives, every one broken by the USG?

The Constitution is a failed document. Trash it, examine the Swiss national government, dismantle the USG, go back to the very American Articles of Confederation modified for centralized command and control for national defense purposes only ... during my lifetime before I die of course.

Hey, I can dream.

eeuunikkeiexpat wrote:The Constitution is a failed document. Trash it, examine the Swiss national government, dismantle the USG, go back to the very American Articles of Confederation modified for centralized command and control for national defense purposes only ... during my lifetime before I die of course.

Hey, I can dream.

Hey! Now I have to go online and see if I can find a translation of the Swiss government policies. Like I don't have enough to do looking up ceviche recipes and taunting Bill O'Rielley fans on blogospheres. Oh, and I need to look up the American Articles of the Confederation, which I plan to do also. In the meantime....

I disagree that the Constitution is a failed document - in intent and in theory - and in practice. However as it has not been enforced and is sometimes abused and taken out of context. We would be wise to repeal some of the Amendments, particularly the Twelfth Amendment (that Electoral College thingy). We repealed the Eighteenth Amendment (that's the booze issue if you wondered), so why not Twelfth? I think the Electoral College thing sucks, not to mention the Superdelegate whoredom.

The Federalists were against allowing amendments to the Constitution, and maybe rightly so, because it seems like it allowed for further interpretation of something that was simple, "We the People". Not we the white, powerful men, not we the chosen few, not we the wealthy, or more educated and connected (not that there is anything wrong with white, powerful, wealthy, educated and connected folks). It's a shame that amendments had to be passed to explain that blacks, and women were "people" too. Somehow Indians eventually ended up voting without an amendment to validate their personhood, rightly so, but sadly, that's about all that the Constitution has afforded them.

Ahhhh, yeah, blah, blah, blah. It's a real mess, and I suspect it won't be spiffied up anytime soon. And this is just IMHO!

Vicki here, not Greg. I promise to remember (Greg) to sign my name so you won't be tagged to my opinions! Ready for dinner Dear?!!!!!

I saw this and thought it sums up several things we have seen over the last three years, all in one bite...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuBo4E77ZXo


enjoy....

P out.



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Well, thanks P. That made my day. I have to look at this more closely, but on it's face, it's truly disturbing. I remember reading a book about the Illuminati, given to me by a friend a few years ago. And I thought, "Interesting," but considered it histrionic, it reminded me of a bunch of frat boys who think they own the world, and that the world owes them. Taken in bits, and increments, it seems a little sci-fi, but when you look at it in it's entirety (so far), it becomes ominous. A very simplistic example might be Hitler. The people of Germany, and I knew a few elderly Germans during my stint there, told me that they didn't realize what he was really doing. While it seems outrageous for us to believe that, a neighbor of mine explained the long, carefully constructed and orchestrated media campaign introduced the ideas, one palpatable bite at a time, until, there they were. And still, she said, we didn't believe what we heard from outside.

Some of the things I remember reading in the Illuminati book (I cannot remember the title) was comparing Planned Parenthood and it's founder with Hitler. Things like that I thought were ridiculous, and still do. ANd while I appreciate what I felt Clinton did for the country as President, I do think that the political sorority in the past two centuries is evidence of some of the views in the book.

Okay, so what to do, where to go, how to live free and safe? I sometimes feel that life is too short to dwell on things like whether or not the Illuminati exists, or whether or not the NAU and Amero are really part of a big plan for a World Government. And then again I think, if it's even partially true, that's what someone would depend on.....little people feeling too overwhelmed to consider it, and frankly not caring. And if it's all, or partially true, there really seems nothing anyone can do to change it.

For anyone interested in some pretty darned good documentaries that virtually no one will see in the US, I recommend moviesfoundonline<dot>com. Choose "documentaries", then scroll down and watch. I've just finished watching "The Panama Deception" which I've been interested in since living there and becoming friends with people who were there, who loved/hated Torrijos, who lost family members during the December 20th invasion, who felt shit upon by the US and their refusal to apologize for holding up Noriega, financing his "goon squad", then taking him out along with over 3,000 mostly innocent people then denying it all. The point is, it's just another US media farce to get people in line, FEAR, DANGER, TERROR! Bush Sr. denies having ANY close ties to Noriega, yet I have a friend who was an official translator who attended meetings between the two, where Bush Sr. gave not only assurances to Mr. N, but a medal, and later, a big fat raise for his complicity in drug trafficking even though the arrangement for supposed to be for information ON trafficking. The US's clandestine interference in Central and South America, in Eastern Europe, the Middle East, the back room handshakes and chuckles of assurance makes me ill.

Sorry, rant over.

Vicki

The thing is WE outnumber them. I would say the main core controllers compose 6% or less of the world population. BTW, this 6-7% number corresponds to what the experts say are the number of functional psychopaths in the world.

If we all stopped working and paying taxes till they were forced to step down, we could bloodlessly boot their azzes out in a month.

Movies I like — The Matrix, V for Vendetta.
Best solution I read in a book, "Atlas Shrugged" — the productive of the world quietly dropping out and going on strike till the system collapses.

Salud,

Off down the hill to stock up on porotos and arroz integral...

Ah, Atlas Shrugged! I finally read it about five years ago, and should read it again. Somewhere in a trunk I left behind are all of her other books, which I also read. As far as dropping out and all that, for many, many folks it's too late...too tied up in how to get money for food, etc....you know the drill! But then, maybe this new "rebate" everyone will get...you could do something productive with that big wad of cash! Hahahaha! My mom will probably get around $300, not enough to cover her utilities for one bad-weather month. The total cost of the economic infusion packages is what? I can't remember, something ridiculous...I think people should use their checks as toilet paper, mail it back and say, "No thanks!" But that's just me!



There are many folks on this board, and well...everywhere who put their faith in gold. I think putting your faith in your own self-sufficiency is also wise. I'm a long way off, but working toward it in what I hope is a responsible manner.

Vicki