Chile Forum

OK, I'm done with Windows. Any windoze OS, I'm just done with it. I have XP on my laptop and it's just so over.
In the last week or so I've tried three times to download Ubuntu Linux 7.10 and burn it on a disc to do a dual boot thing and try it out. I've been stymied. I don't even know what stymied means but..... that's what has happened. I can swear Windows is sabotaging me because it knows it's days are numbered I'm Ok, really.
Yes, I know it's .iso and it's a picture on the CD and all that, it just ain't happenning for me.

So, where can I get Ubuntu Linux 7.10 on a CD in Chile? I know Chile is a MS 'colony' but there has to be an Ubuntu Linux 7.10 CD in English here somewhere.

Gnarly gorilla or fiesty fawn or whatever thet call it. Can I get a CD in ENGLISH in Chile?? Is it impossible? Anyone know a store somewhere in Stgo. Vina etc? Anyone have a CD they can mail me? I'll pay for postage both ways, etc.

I've read all the documentation at Canonical and am ready to do a dual boot with Ubuntu 7.10. I imagine I will be dumping Windows soon after. I've been wanting to do this for a freaking year! It's time.

I guess I could have an Ubuntu CD mailed to me from the states but I want to get on this fast. I literally can't stand XP one more minute. I'll spare you the details. I've had somewhat decent luck with Bill G's toy operating system in the past but lately it has been very stressful. It's over for me. No last minute pardon from the Governor, no apathy of, "i'll do it later." Done. Windoze es finito.

Can anyone help out?

thanks.

Hey Chuck you had to ask me first, I had ISO images for: ubuntu Gutsy gibbon (last version), Mandriva, gOS, Gentoo and Open BSD.

we have to coordinate for any of those days and I will burn a CD for any of those Linux qith no problem. Anyway, in my view, having tried all those linux distros for work purposes I still think that there are no better desktop systemas Windows XP. I dont want to start a holly war but It is my opinion.

Linux does great as server system and in the command line but desktop enviroments, X and such are still far to be satisfactory. Anyway mail me and I will burn a copy of any of those for you, I may even show you all thse systemas running in virtual machibes

That's right! I remember now! You told me the other night.

Well, I'm just recovering from your New Years Eve party Tomas. Oh boy I drank too, too much.

OK this week I'll get a CD from you. I need to get rid of windows on my box. I was worried about a learning curve and all with Ubuntu but I don't care now, whatever it takes I'll do it to dump windows.

You are on your way to recovery.

I believe the last really annoying things about Linux will be eliminated this year. Still a running bad desktop is better, than a crashing, data loosing, none operational operating system like windows.

Ubuntu is my least favorite, because they have done some strange things with the fundamental way linux functions in favor of being more windows like. The way they handle the root user interaction for instance.

PClinuxOS is my favorite flavor. It functions the same as Mandriva, just without the bloat of all the trashy unstable software that Mandrive installs in an attempt to be cutting edge. their motto is "radically simple', and of all the distros I have worked with over the years they keep to it.

As a truly open source distro that is not associated with any commercial company, it also does not have problems with installing things like video codecs or worrying that someone is going to kick in their doors for offering it. They are all available from software install menu once you install the base system and get connected.

I really like the live boot / install cd. It is nice to boot to an OS, and see if all your hardware is working, then decide to make the full install or make repairs from a fully functional operating system rather some mystical command prompt using obscure low level linux commands that even after 6 years of linux use I have to lookup on the internet.

With PClinuxOS I have never had to use them, but if I did I could surf out on to the internet and find it from a working computer, or read the documentation, and so on.

if you ever feel a relapse coming on Chuck, drop by and play on my freaking *("£(*&£^% VISTA laptop for 2 mins. That'll sort you out quicker than you can say "This is b0ll0..."

I downloaded a Live CD of Ubuntu 7.10, but I can't get it to run on my 3 year old Toshiba laptop. I ordered and received a Ubuntu 7.10 CD in the mail recently, but have yet to try it out.

I bought a new desktop PC a few days ago with Windows Vista Home Premium on it. Our old desktop was getting slower and slower and slower.

So far, I don't like Vista. It has a few annoying features. For example, if you try to run or install a program, Vista pops in with warning if you really want to run or install that program. If you close Windows Explorer, you get an error message. The menu system of File, Edit, View, etc. has been radically changed. I really haven't noticed any additional stability or security.

I hope this is my last Windows computer. I think I will try out PClinusOS on my laptop.

yea, depending on how old your laptop is, you might need to play with different distributions. newer ones tend to not have as many problems, as long as they are not like last weeks production line.

The problem with older laptops is that the so much of the hardware was very customized. Now things are starting to standardize more and more, and also the more purchased a laptop was the more likely there will be full driver support for everything and the bugs well worked out by the open source community.

I have an old IBM thinkpad t22 Pentium III. I have never had a problem with any distributions. But on some say old compaq computers I have had to get very creative about getting linux to install, and have had to use special distributions with special install trick mostly because compaq is garbage start with.

"Ubuntu is my least favorite, because they have done some strange things with the fundamental way linux functions in favor of being more windows like. The way they handle the root user interaction for instance. "

Charles, I think that's the thing they needed to do. Dumb it down for us Windows zombies so it's not too hard for us to switch. I know 'pure' Linux people probably sniff at Ubuntu 7.10 but if they ever want to seriously challenge M$ a more windows friendly GUI type interface was needed, and all the frills we're used to with MS.

I was reading the Ubuntu 7.10 documentation and was very impressed at how well writtten and clearly explained it is.

go play outside: I feel for you if you're using Vista. I won't go there. No way no how. I just can't stand all the big brother crap of MS anymore. It phones home on port eighty when I look for something on MY HARDDRIVE? WTF is that?

Charles thanks for the heads up on PClinuxOS. It looks really good. I'm reading up on it and I think now I'll go with it rather than Ubuntu 7.10

PClinuxOS is very GUI. I almost never use the command line for anything that has to do with the operating system.

I use the command line for network diagnostics and more advance stuff that most users would never have a use it for. Even then I use it out of habit, rather than there is not GUI equivalent.

Let me put it this way. If you need to use the command prompt now in Linux, chances are you your computer would not be even be starting in Windows with the equivalent level of trouble.

What I think will ultimately break the back of windows will not be the Ubuntu, Mandriva, or any one distribution. It will be the new KDE 4.0 desktop running on all of them. The current 3.x series has been around for several years now, and the code base had just become unmaintainable. Gnome I do not believe will ever be a contender as a serious desktop threat to vista ( Vista is only a threat to itself )or XP.

Everyone in closed source, Microsoft circles likes to say that open source software and Linux platform will never compete with closed sourced software because there is no money in it. Remember, the flip side of that coin is that Microsoft will never be able to compete because it would have to give its product away for free to even have a chance. It will be hard to have a price war with free software. Especially if your good "commercial" product sucks.

I made the switch to Linux a few years ago. It was really hard at first having to relearn so much but boy oh boy am I glad I stuck with it. There is NO way I would go back to a Windows only use at this point. I LOVE my linux set up (Ubuntu 7.10). I LOVE working on it to develop and fiddle with web technologies since I have it set up just like one would have on a web server at some hosting company but because it's all local (i.e. Apache, MySQL, phpMyAdmin, and so forth) I don't have to be connected to the Internet to try different things on my web pages.

One big advantage to Linux is the open source nature of it. There is no one company like Microsoft calling the shots. Who knows what Microsoft keeps track of on your computer. Who knows how often they phone home with who knows what info. And with the US becoming more and more snoopy in an attempt to keep terrorists out who knows whether the FBI, NSA, or other US organizations are lurking in the background watching what we do on our computers. Microsoft is an American company subject entirely to the US government in terms of allowing these various agencies to spy on us if and when that becomes legal.

With open source, programmers throughout the world and from various countries know what a software program does. There is no question of what it does. Active discussion of what open source programs do goes on all the time. Nothing is hidden inside a source code you can't see like with proprietary software like Microsoft Windows.

I could go on and on but I guess I will leave it at that since I might be singing to the choir here.

I will have to look into PCLinuxOS Charles. Never heard of that one. I have worked with Red Hat, Gentoo, Mandrake, and have settled finally on Ubuntu. Ubuntu rocks!

Carlos

I managed to get Ubuntu 7.10 to run on my new desktop. Just looked at it for a couple of minutes. I ran it as a Live CD. I will try to spend more time with it in the near future.

Would anyone speculate as to when PCLinuxOS will come out with version KDE 4.0?

I downloaded the latest version of PC Linus OS (PCLOS Gnome Edition 2.21.2), and ran it as a Live CD on my new desktop. I really like it - better than Ubuntu. I think I am going to install this on the desktop.

If anyone is interested I found an Ubuntu Chilean web site in Spanish where you can probably ask any questions you might have about Ubuntu if your English is not good enough to ask on the main English forum.

It's at w w w . u b u n t u - c l . o r g

I can read the Spanish but I slow to a crawl doing so...so I will stick to the English thank you . But I though it might interest others to know there is a Chilean Ubuntu site available .

Carlos