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had our car parked outside of our house in a no parking zone. so before going to work we moved the car as now there was space unlike yesterday.

we parked and some weon jumped out of his house saying that we couldn't park here as this was his parking spot. i looked at him in disbelief and asked him to show me the sign with his name on. he yelled something that you have the right to park in the street right in front of your house (like in a 20 meter distance.) he also said that we left used to leave our car for three days right there which we explained was not true as my polola uses it every day!

his response to that was that ok we could leave the car there but it would happen "una hueva" to the car. i told him that he was "cuadrado" and walked away. didn't understand his last words.

so now my polola messaged me that now there was a dent in the passenger door which definately hasn't been there this morning!

so it was obviously him... but what can we do about this as nobody saw it happen? since we had our previous car stolen i know that the #$< NO EMAIL >¡'!# pacos are useless. even more when a gringo and a chilena show up to complain

but i don't wanna get this guy away with this. at least i know where this cu1iad0 lives

living in stgo centro, if this is of help

just came home from work and had a look at it.
coincidentally he came home from wherever and as soon as he stepped out of his car i could see him wetting his pants. i just told him that i didn't wanna argue with him. we would go to the cops and then give the case to our lawyer. also we would have a witness (half lie, but a girl next door told us from a similar experience she had with this cu1iad0)

his point was that because "in chile" there would be the rule that people that new shiftet in had to obey the ones that live there for years. so it was his right to tell us where to park. also he wanted to make us responsible for all the parked cars in front of "his" house. (which is of his suegra...)

Document everything if you can. Pictures, witnesses etc. Do everything by the book, legal and all that. If all that doesn't work:

I am in no way recommending this but about ten years ago in San Jose California I had a problem with a used car dealer who had 4k of my money and didn't want to give it back. I told a friend of mine named Pauly about it and he got madder about it than me. He said he'd take care of it. About a week later he calls me and we go to see the car dealer who was very polite and returned my 4k in cash and was very glad to see us leave. Apparently Pauly had a friend of his go 'talk to the guy'. Pauly was friends with the Bonanno family and had them do a favor for him. That's all they did was talk to the guy. The moral of this long story?

Do you have any friends?

It is a situation not easy to handle, figth with neighbors may become into a permanent pain in the ass guerrilla.

Refering to the "rigth" to park in front of the own home, It is not a legal but it is conventionally accepted custom, to park in front of a neighbor home it is usually interpreted as an hostile act.

My advise is: give up, be patient and with time you will find the way to take the revengue. The guerrilla with neigbors may easily scale to unexpected levels, people has died or kill in such stupid figths.

I have suffered from those "vecinos de mal vivir" but I had always prefered to cut the figth inmediatly, it is the best way I think

we were ready to go to the carabineros when i heard a aggressive banging at the door... but it was not the neighbor, no, it was the cops he called.

so the cop told us in a straightforward and hard voice to move our car as the cu1iad0 told them that it had been there for days.
we told our story. the cu1iad0 even admitted, that he threatened us. but there was no evidence about him hitting the dent in the car. the cops really changed their tone and understood the thing that was going on.

but of course they recommended us not doing any steps more and avoid confrontation and not to park there anymore.
so i asked them if this was the way in this country: the one that uses violence gets the right. and even the cops told me not to do any more, as this could be a bad experience for me as a foreigner!

but in all it was a good chat with the cops and they will write a report about that. so i think i'll save the trip to the carabineros as it would have been worthless anyway. and i will just laugh about this dickhead and won't waste my energy on an idiot...

as tombrad2 said, i don't like fighting and it's healthier for you anyway...

well i think, that what tombrad suggested is quite normal in every other country. i even believe, that as a foreigner you have to "obey" even "unjust local rule", with no legal or "moral" fundations. just because of standards they are expected for people moving in contra way (fexg. latin people coming living to middle europe). not that i'm fond of discrimination but if you want to fight for rights and things like that there is more than enough opportunities to do it at your homeland. as a lawyer professionally and personally i am pretty sure that in wars of that kind (or probably any kind) wins only the one who likes to run wars. i guess you're not the one.

but i really didn't mean to write about this.

please apologize for breaking the line with question for tombrad if he would...

tombrad, on some places you mentioned few things about ancud. among them was something about depressive people drinking through the winter and also some possible aggression connected to this drinking. well, i can understand the situation of wrong situation and local villagers trying the fun with someone. i guess that people are really absolutely the same all over. but what my question is. i am pretty sure because of everything i read here that still chiloe is a place where women could go around alone at night and even enter any social place without risk to be involuntarily object of more than just verbal attacks? i think it doesn't even matter if that castro or remote village.

answer to this would be very helpful for me.

Yea, my advise is to move out of Santiago and get away from all the pains in the ...

Chiloe is safe. No one is going to mess with women or anyone else. Obviously a drunk is a drunk anywhere the world, but they tend to be at best annoying in southern Chile. Not really dangerous.

Besides, the women have such an historical reputation it is the poor drunken sailor that needs protection.

Well, I lived during 4 years in Ancud, Castro and the remote Quellón. I agree with Charles regarding Chiloe, at least during my staying there was absolutly safe, I never heard on delincuency, thieves, assaults and such, never. I was there few years ago and it remains the same. The only problems was figth of drunks in bars and such

Probably you as foreigner never will note he kind of violence I told, it is a kind of Entertainment" between locals, even people from Santiago or other cities never experience it, a deeper level of familiarity is needed to experience this I guess. Many foreigners live happily and safe in Chiloe, since many years, even during my staying there (1970-1973)

By the way, drunks FEAR a lot the angry southern women, this is absolutly correct.

In some towns in southern Chile if you go out the good old boy bars, and you are a male foreigner the local guys will try to pick a fight with you but I have never encountered it. If you are not in the mood to fight, buy a bottle of pisco and everyone will be instant drunken best friends. It is almost polite chivalry where they want to know if you are in the mood for a fight, or you would prefer to kickback and have drinks together.

In Futaleufu, there is a bar out by the airport that is notorious for the young kids from the campo coming down out of the mountains and getting drunk, and the foreigners from the rafting companies showing up. It is a local sport for the kids from the campo to pick a fight with the rafting guides and tourist.

The only problem is that they assume that these guys because they are foreigners are somehow soft. Most of the guys they tend to pick on are very serious outdoors types that have traveled to some of the more dangerous places in the World. They are not exactly accountants sitting behind a desk all day. It typically does not end well for the kids from the Campo. The police are all over the place ( Little Futa has more than 60 police officers stationed there because of the boarder), so the they tend to wade in fairly fast and end it.

Even then, it is like everyone kind of knows that is what goes on there and people are kind of looking for a wild time. They are rarely dangerous in the sense that anyone is even going to get seriously injured.

I think total injuries I seen last year amounted to some bloody knuckles because the guy did not know how to throw a punch. The guy he hit was fine. That is what passes for extreme violence in most of these small communities.

yea, I was the 4 years with my eyes black thanks my best friends fists, Its a kind of sport: to get drunk and figth, as long as I remember in Ancud figths was between peers, rarely a foreigner involved, in the infamous bar "La Golosina" I used to give and receive knoks during those years

yea, I always had the impression that it was more for something to do. They could be arm wrestling, playing pool, or any number of other type of things typical competitions you find in bar just as easily. Kind of strange really.

i believed it is so. but sometimes i feel better when my opinion is shared with opinion of people with more experience on some field.

thanks a lot.

i just found that article:

"-- BUTCHER OF CHILOE CONDEMNED TO DEATH. Triple
murderer Ruben Millatureo Vargas was sentenced to death by Judge
Francisco Javier del Campo of Castro Magistrates' Court on the
southern island of Chiloe for butchering to death his 74-year-old
father, Isidro Millatureo, and then illegally burying what was left of
the victim's remains in the family back yard in the small town of
Queilen.
Ruben Millatureo, aged 35 at the time of the gruesome killing
in September 1997, also received two life sentences for the murder
of traveling salesman Claudio Reyes, 36, three months later, and of
his long-time friend and neighbor Maria Gabriela Formatel Macias,
aged 26, in March 1998. Millatureo hacked all three victims to death
with a hatchet, in the case of Formatel after robbing her of US$3,000
and brutally raping her. Reyes, who was killed after going to the
house to receive payment for two pictures he had sold the family,
was interred alongside the murderer's father.
Psychological tests proved the culprit was fully aware of his
actions at the time of the murders that shocked the small island
community, although the case still has to be heard by the Appeals
Court and, if the death sentence is upheld, by the Supreme Court. If
the death penalty is ratified by the country's top court, the president
will have to decide whether to uphold the ruling or commute the
sentence to life imprisonment."

in my homeland homicide like this (domestic) is about 90% of all homicides. it's falling down (percentage) but just because other sorts of homicide slowly increase.

is that kind of crimes (especially man-wife or child (between 35 and 60 years old)-parent) common in chile? in south? and why did he killed the traveling salesman?:)

bezaj wrote:. . . . [W]hy did he kill[ ] the traveling salesman? . . . .

Because he's mad.

As you, I work as a lawyer. For many years, much of the pro-bono (fee-free to poor clients) part of my practice was criminal defense. I found that nearly all people who deliberately harmed others were more or less deranged; and I imagine that this killer is no different from them.

I don't know men in general Chilean are assHole that fight first and then ask in this kind of case Carabineros are useless and even if him attack you the law is useless, I don't know your situation but in my chile if he become a paint in the asssssssssss is time for combos en el hosico. There are people in Chile that understan only that language, I know I have been there.

Sad but True