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Postby bezaj on Sun Nov 18, 2007 3:07 pm

rsw, yes, me also, i also met so few, few people not deranged.:)
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crime in Chiloe

Postby admin on Sun Nov 18, 2007 7:46 pm

Apart from the paranoid gringo thing, in any population you are going to have certain percentage of just crazy / mental illness. Those cases above likely account for something around 50% of the murder statistics on the Island in the last 10 years.

There is a good reason that most murders are some how family related. Your family are the ones that are most likely to drive you crazy (that is joke, but sadly true). Just plain random murder of strangers are fairly rare outside really dangerous parts of the World (e.g. war zones). Even in war zones people are mostly killed for a reason ( even if it is a bad reason ) or by accident; not just random murder.

Now, all that said, I still am not sure what makes United States breed more violence than other societies overall. The death rate from murders in the States likely matches or beats a lot of civil wars around the World. I don't think It is a gun thing, before anyone goes off on that tangent. Guns are methods, not motives.

Your only real defense is less people. Chiloe does not have that many people. I don't think on a southern Chile scale Chiloe is the friendliest place I have been to in the South, but it is much more friendly than most of the World.
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Postby bezaj on Mon Nov 19, 2007 4:13 pm

i'm sorry, could be out of the context, but do you find chile (chilean) more introverted then not? i guess in other latin america countries people are more extroverted than in chile?
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extroverted chileans

Postby admin on Mon Nov 19, 2007 7:10 pm

I am not sure extroverted would be the word, but Chileans are very social. They have very close family and friend groups, and like to socialize and have a good time.

They are perhaps a little more conservative that other countries in Latin America in terms of public displays of affection, but not that big.
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Postby copfish on Tue Nov 20, 2007 1:13 am

Problems with neighbors is everywhere, mostly because people are not as respectful of others rights to live life without creating problems for others. But when you have a bad neighbor life can be hell until they do something that get them arrested or they move or someone kicks their butt. They get used to being a bully and the law rarely has much effect on them. Jail or prison time is just an educational experiance for them and they get better at whatever crimes they do. I don't think it is restricted to any income class either, but as in most cases people only really pay attention and change there ways when they are faced with serious bodily harm or the possibility of death.

It used to be that that kind of disrespect for others was solved in a swift manner and it was understood that if you acted like like a criminal you were treated like one. Now days they get cable TV, air conditioning, three meals a day, clean cells, health care and access to the law library.

Chile has to have much less violent crime than most countries with the same population size as its large land mass and less people per square mile, is stable, plenty of jobs, health care and pension system is much more than other South American countries too.
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Postby bezaj on Wed Nov 21, 2007 4:58 pm

i guess i like the fact that chile already feels like home:) and didn't even got there.

thanks again for sharing the pieces.
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Passive-aggressive

Postby admin on Wed Nov 21, 2007 6:31 pm

I think if I would describe Chileans when they are ticked about something it would be passive-aggressive overall. They will dig in their heals and simply not budge.

For example, if you go in to a government offices and rub the secretary the wrong way, or even just overly confuse them with bad Spanish, they will drop in to a total do nothing mode telling you that something is simply impossible or create complicated steps to get just small thing done.

On the other hand if you go in and turn on even a small amount of charm with a little bit of chit chat to help kill their day, you will find all resistance to what you want to do will just go away.

In fact, I would say a lot of things that a foreigner might categorize as laziness or incompetence is more likely some sort of passive-aggressive response to the job. Workers in Chile that do not do their job for instance, I often get the impression that they know better, they just do not care or feel the company is under paying them or something related. There is a serious burn the boss attitude in stores, restaurants, and such with very little loyalty to the company. It kind of trickles up the middle management who really just come in and sit behind their desk.

Also on the other hand, companies and businesses that take their employees seriously and care about them, seem to also take care of their customers in Chile.

A great example is Easy home center in Temuco. Easy is on one side of the street and Sodimac home center is on the other side. In Sodimac I always get fast freindly and helpful services. At Easy I had to search for 40 mins to find a sales person, and finally walked in to the back office to find one. We are talking a massive home center here, not a little hardware store.

A couple of months ago all the workers went on strike at the Temuco Easy, and I believe they just fired most of them rather than negotiate. The new crew is not much better.
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Re: Problem with neighbour

Postby bezaj on Sun Apr 13, 2008 4:38 pm

very good description.

sometimes they don't know how and most of times only you with your attitude can make them see why they would help you with anything.

i used to live in a country with a similar attitude some years ago and i liked it. i liked it in chile too.
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Re: Problem with neighbour

Postby RWS on Mon Apr 14, 2008 9:46 am

bezaj wrote:. . . . i used to live in a country with a similar attitude some years ago . . . .

Surely you're not alluding to Germany or Austria, are you?
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Re: Problem with neighbour

Postby bezaj on Mon Apr 14, 2008 1:23 pm

don't know germany well but definitely that was not the case in austria. i know that for at least last 25 years they know well that they have to be helpfull if they want your money.

but i was writing about yugoslavia.
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Re: Problem with neighbour

Postby RWS on Mon Apr 14, 2008 4:59 pm

Ahhhh . . . . Having lived in Germany and visited Austria -- when I still was fluent in German! -- I couldn't believe that you were referring to them! But neither did I stop to think that you might have alluded to your former homeland. (Though, from what I've heard, it deserved the criticism; for what it's worth, Slovenia has -- in my circles, at least -- the reputation of being the most Westward-looking of the former Yugoslav republics.)
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Re: Problem with neighbour

Postby bezaj on Tue Apr 15, 2008 2:19 pm

westward looking is quite interesting term nowadays... yes, slovenia today is in almost all ways much more modern country than any other from ex yu. but we are becoming more and more westward looking... have the similar attitude to human rights and democracy like some westward looking world powers, and to workers rights and to right to decency...

but it's true that especially for people from the "west" slovenia is the most pleasant place to live in balcan. not just because of economical or i don't know safety reasons, but for them balcan could be rally hard to understand. from my point is very similar to chile - nothing ever is what it seems.
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