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Going back to Chile I have no money to pay all my debt in US

Anything related to legal issues, immigration, problems, regulations, tax issues, or any other law or legal related problem in Chile. Moderated By A Chilean Attorney.

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Postby huincacara on Thu Nov 08, 2007 1:51 pm

Patricia.

Si tan solo desde el principio huvieras dado una respuesta como esta esto ya se hubiera terminado, pero no tenian que irse en la volada moralista, forsandome a ser mas especifico. Ademas otras personas preguntaron y yo solo conteste.

No me importa escribir mis dramas, me ayuda, ademas es internet no me conocen y no creo que me vayan a conocer tampoco, asi que aquien le inporta.

Al final a sido entretenido todo esto, espero que en mis otras consultas repondas la pregunta y no te vay en otras voladas.

ademas este foro thise claro todo sobre CHile en especial si te estas mudando yo me estoy mudando.
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Postby Gloria on Fri Nov 09, 2007 1:12 am

I surrender, please accept my resignation, I'm throwing in the towel, I GIVE UP!! CASE CLOSED!! Please pass the Armonyl and Prozac.....COMBINED!!
"Home is where the heart is" http://pintavalchile.blogspot.com/
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Postby Louis on Tue Nov 20, 2007 6:27 am

First of all, the storage of credit information has nothing to do with capabilities and everything to do with the law. 7 years or less for credit issues, but they can still collect, it just won't show up on your credit report. So no, after 7 years, no one will be reading it on your credit report.

You will not go to jail for your debt since you did not take them out fraudulently. You did not lie on your credit applications and if situations have changed and have fallen on tough times, you still owe the money but if you don't pay them then you are not committing any fraud.Not paying your debts is not a crime, unless it's child support or taxes.

My suggestion in your situation is to file bankruptcy on your debts. Why? It will wipe away the debts and you will no longer be responsible for them. You are then not running away from your financial problems and you have solved them. The debts will no longer be collectible.

It's ok and it's moral to file bankruptcy when you are unable to pay the debts. It will only stay on your credit report for 7 to 10 years depending on the state. In fact, in a few years, you will be able to get new loans and credit, but you won't because you won't want to be in this situation again.

Before people attack me for suggesting this, Bankruptcy is only available once every 7 years and our original bankruptcy laws were based on the concept of the Lord's release where every 7 years debtors were released from their debts.

admin wrote:Here is the practicality, you can likely default on most of your debts, but don't ever expect anyone to give you credit again in the States. The computer have long long memories. 20 years ago, records would drop out the system at around 5-7 years because storing them cost too much money. Now file storage is cheap. Everything on your credit record will stay there forever. Archaeologist will likely be reading your credit record a thousand years from now.

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Postby admin on Tue Nov 20, 2007 10:11 am

>First of all, the storage of credit information has nothing to do with capabilities and everything to do with the law. 7 years or less for credit issues, but they can still collect, it just won't show up on your credit report. So no, after 7 years, no one will be reading it on your credit report.

If you really think credit record are going away in 7 years because of the law, your living in a digital fantasy land.

Perhaps, it is specifically because of the laws that companies now regularly keep records indefinitely. Here is a very short list of organizations and reasons that your credit records will stay in the data archives forever (it only takes one to keep it in circulation). Everyone of them must keep backups, and most keep them forever now in certain areas.

All of these are institutions that must make systems backups typically at least once a day, and sometime by hour or more for security. Each thus has copy of your records:

1. U.S. patriot act mandates that banks know their customers, and thus audit credit records of customers. They have to document to cover themselves, and thus keep copies forever

2. Credit companies are constantly running automated credit reports on all kinds of things. Thus, they too have fresh copies.

3. Marketing departments buy credit records to better target segments. They are not so much issuing credit, as mining for data.

4. Government organizations such as the project formally known as the Total Information Awareness System (who knows what it is called now) of the FBI and such will keep them forever. It recently caught something like 12 escaped convicts that had been missing for years by data mining credit records.

5. The problem of law suits has now made every company that can afford to do it archive their records for ever because of the fear they might need it someday. Every time you buy anything, directly or indirectly, a record is created not just at one company but sometimes across hundreds. Each needs to keep records. Just think of how many companies are involved when you buy a pack of gum at Wal Mart with your credit or ATM card. Everyone, outsources everything these days. Now think about all the databases involved when you buy a car or a house. Many of the companies involved in those little transactions are not in the United States, and operate under other laws (e.g. India, EU ).

I could go on for hours with this list. The point is every single company that has quality IT staff, will have quality backups, if for no other reason that sh%t happens to computers. Also, all that data is not going away any time soon because it is very valuable marketing tool at the least, and at the most it is to shield companies from law suits.

I am not in the credit industry, and I have client financial data archives from a business I sold more than 10 years ago that was gathered simply as part of my standard systems backups. It is likely not worth anything, but the point is that even the smallest business now can afford to keep data forever, and is sometimes required to by the LAW.
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Postby Louis on Tue Nov 27, 2007 9:53 am

The point I am making is that after 7 years, it falls off your credit report and is of no importance in applying for credit. Whether they have the data or not is immaterial or not, it just can't be on your credit report. As I said, I have o doubt that they have the capabilities, but it's about the law.

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http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/conline/pubs/cre ... ports.shtm

Q: How long can a consumer reporting company report negative information?

A: A consumer reporting company can report most accurate negative information for seven years and bankruptcy information for 10 years. There is no time limit on reporting information about criminal convictions; information reported in response to your application for a job that pays more than $75,000 a year; and information reported because you’ve applied for more than $150,000 worth of credit or life insurance. Information about a lawsuit or an unpaid judgment against you can be reported for seven years or until the statute of limitations runs out, whichever is longer.
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Postby spamghod on Fri Dec 28, 2007 10:47 am

If you have an engineering degree, you can make far more money in Asia than South America. You can make even more money in the Middle East if you want to paint a bullseye on yourself. The best money is in Korea, Taiwan and Japan.

In Japan, you might make more money (as an English teacher to engineers and those types--who pay more), but you'll spend more. The money's pretty much the same in Korea and Taiwan. But in Taiwan, the quality of life is lower. In Korea, you get an apartment usually within walking distance to work, insurance, paid flight and don't need a car and all the other associated expenses. I'm currently making about W2.8 million won and living on about W400,000/month. The rest is going into precious metals. Currently, the exchange rate is about W930 = $1.

The new regulations say you must have a physical and police check. But you can probably do all the paperwork and visa stuff in about 4-6 weeks, if you really wanted to. You'd have to do it all at the closest Korean Embassy. You can find jobs and a pretty good forum at Dave's ESL Cafe. (eslcafe.com). If you're really serious, contact me. I've lived in Asia since 1995 and can give you lots of information.

For the record, I plan on coming to Chile to work and get a small farm going. The money isn't bad here (much more than Chile) but I want a change and like I said, I'd like to start a small farm of some kind.
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Re: Going back to Chile I have no money to pay all my debt in US

Postby Brasstacks on Sun Feb 24, 2008 5:16 pm

The US consitution forbids imprisonment for a civil debt.You may want to read a great book entitled "Hide your assets and Disappear by Edmund Pankau..absolutely the best,but written right before 9/11
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Postby huincacara on Mon Feb 25, 2008 11:52 pm

spamghod wrote:If you have an engineering degree, you can make far more money in Asia than South America. You can make even more money in the Middle East if you want to paint a bullseye on yourself. The best money is in Korea, Taiwan and Japan.


Sound good, but I have kids that need especial attention so the other side of the world is not part of my plan. Any way thank for the info. Could be helpfull for other guys here in the forum
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Re: Going back to Chile I have no money to pay all my debt in US

Postby huincacara on Mon Feb 25, 2008 11:54 pm

Brasstacks wrote:The US consitution forbids imprisonment for a civil debt.You may want to read a great book entitled "Hide your assets and Disappear by Edmund Pankau..absolutely the best,but written right before 9/11


:P :P These gringos have a book for everything. If is not too big I will look at it.

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