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Re: Linux

Postby mlightheart on Sun Mar 02, 2008 5:58 pm

A friend of mine has an ADM64 Dual Core Machine that is running a variation of Ubuntu called Kubuntu which is based on KDE or rather uses KDE as the default windowing environment unlike many which use GNOME. I like KDE myself.

Linux can be a problem for even experienced users, but it has been a viable alternative to windows for a long time. It is very true on the server side and is a good bet on the desktop as well.

It is the limited access that the driver developers have to new hardware and specs which cause problems with running Linux on newer machines. It not so much that if hardware will work on Linux, but many times it is when it will work. Some hardware manufactures are better than others in this regard.

Putting Linux on an old machine will breathe life back into that machine. Can't say that for putting Vista on that old box. I have a laptop with Vista which greatly hampers it. It is an inexpensive Toshiba and it is already underpowered.
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Re: Linux

Postby admin on Sun Mar 02, 2008 6:47 pm

yea, linux and hardware goes best together under almost the same rules a bottle of wine. Give it a bit of time. Computers or hardware in general that has been out on the market for year or two tend to have the best compatibility. It also tends to be much cheaper to buy a model of computer that is a year or two old. It is almost the opposite principle to buying for windows computers.

You also do not need the super duper speed monster because linux does not use those kinds of resources for graphical eye candy like windows.
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Re: Linux

Postby briloop on Sun Mar 02, 2008 7:18 pm

admin wrote:Computers or hardware in general that has been out on the market for year or two tend to have the best compatibility.


Given my limited experience with Linux, I agree with you on that point. It is my belief that I had difficulty installing Linux because my laptop is brand new - dual core chip, the wireless LAN connection is through an Expresscard, etc. Maybe a year or two from now there will be a Linux distribution that will install seamlessly on my machine. Looking back, I should have bought a laptop with Linux already installed.
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Re: Linux

Postby tombrad2 on Sun Mar 02, 2008 8:01 pm

For newer machines I think the most convenient is to run Linux into a virtual machine, or at least in a dual boot. The difference on speed is neglectable if you have 2 or 4 GB RAM.

A "normal" user miss a lot of windows-only applications and spend lot of time looking and installing the Linux equivalent. Is much easier for people who grew in Unix-like enviroments since college. I think -and I know that this is controversial- that for desktop applications Windows is more mature and better than Linux: there are more aplications available and most of Linux apps have a Windows version, the opposite is not true.

For network and servers Linux is a DELIGHT, simple and clean opposite to Microsoft mess who is very hard to understand and is plagued of obscure zones, I guess most of them are obscure for the MS engineers due the long story of patches imposed by the backward compatibility, the key of Windows supremacy.

All kinds of Linux work nice in console mode, but -sad to say- the graphic user interrface (the "X") still behaves as a low budget Windows. That is because it was developed to bring to Linux to the Windows users, so they have much of Windows problems like hangups and such and more often in some versions (specially the gOS based in Enlightenment). I have installed many Linux flavors, some from scratch and I admire the huge and fine work made from the Open Source community, I also know the many flaws of Windows, most of them due their popularity, which encourage the crackers and such untermenshen to develop viruses, spyware and trojans . The exaggerated hunger of resources in Vista was also a mistake of design, but XP is a pretty good system, easy, operative and with full of applications available.

I dont think that Linux is inherently more secure than Windows, this may be true in the past but, since NT technology is very hard to stand this statement with true technical reasons, at this moment both Linux and Windows may be as secure or insecure as we configure, at least for desktop users, both may be configured as very strong machines, there are special editions such Linux OpenBSD for extreme security, but for normal users this is pretty irrelevant. Which is true is that Windows is under much heavier attack due the popularity.

I think that both Linux and Windows are very good products every one with their pluses and minuses, there are not a "perfect" OS and is nearly impossible to determine which is better, everyone must decide based into their specific needs, for me the best is to use both systemas and enjoy the best of both worlds
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Re: Linux

Postby Chuck J 3.0 on Mon Mar 03, 2008 12:59 am

Charles, I finally got into the live CD with root, root, and at the prompt ....................wait for it, :D video, duh. But apparently my video card is not recognized automatically so I have to input it from the list displayed but it's still not working after that.

My video card is Mobile Intel 915GM/GMS 910 GML expressChipset, in a HP Pavillion dv4129us blah blah blah.

I'm moving down to Vina this month maybe some time in the future I can make it to Temuco and you can work your magic on my laptop computer. If I don't smash it against a wall beforehand. :twisted:

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Re: Linux

Postby admin on Mon Mar 03, 2008 10:35 am

yea, there was a recent article in the El mercurio that ranked computer techies by their knowledge. In Chile, if they have even heard of Linux they would qualify as a real geek according to El Mercurio, let alone know how to use it. It really made fun of the guys that are graphics designers claiming to be computer geeks working at companies all over Chile. Making a flash web site, does not make you much more than a computer user; but, they sell themselves as that. I personally have only met one or two guys in Chile I would call competent in Linux ( I don't really go looking for them either ). They are very well employed.

Who screws up your hardware? Well according to the new class action law suit by Dell and other computer makers it is windows vista.
http://www.nytimes.com/idg/IDG_002570DE ... technology

By the way, if you are looking at this site you are a linux user. In fact, around 80% of all web servers in the world run linux or open source software. The official number is something like 60%, but the truth is because linux is free it is nearly impossible to measure how many installs there are around the World. The 80% is my guess of all the web sites in the world that run linux, because it is the cheapest for big mass servers for low cost hosting. Among many others, Google uses linux and other open source programs to power its massive world wide network of servers. When a linux server cost as little as a few hundred dollars to setup, and just one copy of windows server basic can run to about 5,000 to 10,000 dollars per copy, you can see why linux is more or less the internet backbone.

So, it would seem rather strange for someone to say it will screw up your computer, when most of the biggest tech companies in the World run their mission critical systems on linux and not windows software.

Unknown to most, the first laptops ever designed for linux and sold on the open market was the IBM thinkpad. IBM has been selling them for well of 10 years. Lenova now sells the thinkpad, and they also come with linux preinstalled as an option. There are about 20 major computer makers now that offer some form of linux. Two years ago, everyone said that would never happen. Thank bill gates and the Vista disaster for helping linux and Mac.
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Re: Linux

Postby mlightheart on Mon Mar 03, 2008 11:26 am

CJ3, don't smash it against the wall, give it to me :lol:

But seriously what are all the specs on your laptop (HP Pavillion dv4129us blah blah blah...)? Sometimes it takes research to find out what will work or won't. It can be tricky.

I agree with Charles about the wide use of Linux.

Even though I like Linux a lot, I still like Solaris, OpenSolaris that is. http://get.opensolaris.org/ I don't know if they will ship to Chile.

I gave a number of my Sparc boxes to a friend before moving, but still can run it on intlel/amd based motherboards.
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Re: Linux

Postby briloop on Mon Mar 03, 2008 2:49 pm

admin wrote:So, it would seem rather strange for someone to say it will screw up your computer, when most of the biggest tech companies in the World run their mission critical systems on linux and not windows software.


I guess what I was trying to say was, the IT guy, like a lot of people who have a vested interest in Windows, is a Microsoft shill.

admin wrote:Thank bill gates and the Vista disaster for helping linux and Mac.


Couldn't agree with you more.
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